Analysis: The Way The Panthers Fired Dave Gettleman Was A Huge Mistake - Why Our Future Looks Grim, And Why Competent GMs May Not Even Come Near Us

[ickmule]

42 minutes ago, Snake said:

We are absolutely fuged and this will set us back 10 years. Forget Cam getting a Superbowl guys it's not happening. 

He wasn't getting one anyway. Just sayin. 

[Snake]

1 minute ago, Saca312 said:

Trai Turner and Andrew Norwell deserve Top 5 contracts as G.

Star Lotulelei needs a contract of his own too, and that won't come cheap.

Add the money. We're out pretty quick.

Yea and who the heck now steps in? I can promise you one thing. Olsen and Davis want get a extension this year. 

[panthers55]

3 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

Trai Turner and Andrew Norwell deserve Top 5 contracts as G.

Star Lotulelei needs a contract of his own too, and that won't come cheap.

Add the money. We're out pretty quick.

You do know that contracts are structured so that they are cap friendly in year 1 and often year 2. So the average yearly amount is not what it actually costs. So we can structure the amount either back heavy or front.loaded to do whatever we want to do...

[panthers55]

3 minutes ago, Snake said:

Yea and who the heck now steps in? I can promise you one thing. Olsen and Davis want get a extension this year. 

Knowing Gettleman is gone is likely worth waiting. Players really disliked him from what I gather.

[Malt Liquor]

I don't wish death on Jerry Richardson, but I would love to throw a box of hot Bojangles chicken in his face. He is a dumbfug as an owner. The fans care more about winning than he does.

[Snake]

Just now, panthers55 said:

Knowing Gettleman is gone is likely worth waiting. Players really disliked him from what I gather.

Players who were collecting a check disliked him. Remember everyone loved Hurney and look were that got us. 

[panthers55]

10 minutes ago, XClown1986 said:

To say we were in cap hell for one year is simply untrue. From the day Gettleman walked in the door he said he needed 3 seasons to fix the cap. What happened in year 4? Super Bowl bound with all of our key players under contract. If the cap were so easy to manipulate Marty Hurney would still be here.

Look at the numbers in 2014 we had a cap surplus. Sure we had a few bad contracts but not 3 years worth. Gettleman said 3 years to lower expectations . And remember we went to the Superbowl with arguably the worse receivers in the league. Credit Cam and Shula for the offensive success. Then he screws the pooch in 2016 with Norman and the secondary. He has never managed the cap that well and most of that was Beane not him.

[Cyberjag]

53 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

You're joking, right? You understand after what JR did, and what guys we have to sign in the future, that very few GMs look at this job as a positive?

Have you asked any of them or are you just assuming that no one would want to work for Jerry Richardson because he fired Gettleman for reasons none of us really know?

Right now it's out that we're looking at 3-4 candidates.  And I'm reasonably sure that if we offered the job to any one of them they would jump at the chance.  There isn't a GM out there who's worth a damn that doesn't think he could manage the owner and the cap and find a way to build the roster into a winner.  No one cares why the last guy got the axe, the roster's great and the team isn't a trainwreck and the future looks bright enough to anyone who thinks they can do the job.

You write really good "pump you up" threads and they're a great read when you're spending a lot of time in the john.  But maybe you need something like a 48 hour rule when bad news hits, just to give yourself time to calm down.  JR didn't get rich because he's stupid.  He didn't get rich by hiring a bunch of yes-men.  He didn't get into the inner circle of NFL Owners by accident.  The guy had the balls to fire his sons, for crying out loud.  He places tremendous value on relationships, yet still let Gettleman dump Smitty.  

JR's last two hires have brought us to Super Bowls--one in two years from 1-15, and the other in three from 6-10.  I think it's safe to say he knows what he's doing better than we do, and you might need some time to remind yourself of that before you say the sky is falling.

[FireTom]

At this point, he is. I watched his tape, and he's better than TD as of now.
He's very underrated. What he has shown on the field is something I'd call elite.

Shaq Thompson is an Elite Linebacker?!??

He hasn't even made a pro bowl... Stop.. he's good but to claim him elite is a stretch

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[XClown1986]

1 minute ago, panthers55 said:

Look at the numbers in 2014 we had a cap surplus. Sure we had a few bad contracts but not 3 years worth. Gettleman said 3 years to lower expectations . And remember we went to the Superbowl with arguably the worse receivers in the league. Credit Cam and Shula for the offensive success. Then he screws the pooch in 2016 with Norman and the secondary. He has never managed the cap that well and most of that was Beane not him.

We had dead cap numbers that were killing us for 3 years. And we had a cap surplus and spent a great deal of it. We can't pay off our credit cards then fill them up again without trying to be strategic in knowing we aren't going to end up in collections again. Gettleman was a hurry up and wait type of GM and it has worked out for him pretty well in 5 seasons. Richardson just got pissed off that Gettleman was exactly who he said he was and didn't give in to daddy.

[panthers55]

3 minutes ago, Snake said:

Players who were collecting a check disliked him. Remember everyone loved Hurney and look were that got us. 

Which  players don't receive checks? Retired one? Didn't Hurney draft Cam, Davis, Kuechly, and many of our best talent? Hurney got screwed by Richardson in 2010 and had to overspend in 2011  to keep Williams and Johnson to convince fans not to leave in droves and players to take us seriously. He also thought the cap was going to go up but got poor information and it actually stagnated for years. He obviously was long gone by the time the cap started going up.

[FireTom]

We just went 6-10 what are you talking about JR doesn't care about winning? I think it was gettleman that didn't care about winning from the players he's cut over the years.

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[grateflday]

I don't think it doom and gloom but I do agree with this comment in the original post.. "Now, it looks like he was fired for the very reason he was hired.".  

[panthers55]

1 minute ago, XClown1986 said:

We had dead cap numbers that were killing us for 3 years. And we had a cap surplus and spent a great deal of it. We can't pay off our credit cards then fill them up again without trying to be strategic in knowing we aren't going to end up in collections again. Gettleman was a hurry up and wait type of GM and it has worked out for him pretty well in 5 seasons. Richardson just got pissed off that Gettleman was exactly who he said he was and didn't give in to daddy.

Part of that dead space was bad contracts and some by his own making. We had millions in dead cap space by dumping Smith for example. It cost as much to dump him as it would to have kept him if I remember correctly.