Implications of circumstances on GM search

[t96]

The way this went down will make it even more difficult to find a replacement GM that can even come close to being as good as DG, and it would be hard enough already if he had just retired out of the blue or something because it'll be hard to match his success as it is. DG had one of the best track records in his 4 years of any GM now and of those in recent history, and everything suggested that his job should have been one of the safest in the league. But yet he's fired out of nowhere for just doing his job in a way that offended the owner's emotions and caused him to make a reactionary and gut decision. Why in the world would any qualified person want to come to this situation, where any move you make that the owner gets upset with can cause your immediate removal from the position? None of the top candidates outside the organization would want to come to that, despite the very good pieces in place like Cam and Luke. No one wants to take a job that they won't be allowed to actually do, particularly not aspiring top league executives whose egos need to be very large to get near the position in the first place. And in house candidates are non-existent with Beane's departure earlier this year.

This is easily one of the worst decisions I've ever seen made by any team for as long as I've followed the NFL. The Panthers have consistently been an inconsistent franchise in our short history, but I fear until ownership changes (with the hope that it's an owner who's dedicated to winning without meddling) we'll be more along the lines of the Browns and Lions with consistent struggle. I'm not too worried about this year as the pieces are in place and I still think we have a decent shot at winning it all this year, but that will have been Gettleman's work if it happens. And it was going to be difficult enough going forward to continue success by keeping core players after the year and continuing to draft well to allow us to have success with a good cap situation, which Gettleman was doing and has the ultimate ability to do. Now I just don't see how we can possibly be setup for sustained success after this year.

I'm typically on the more optimistic and on the more homeristic side of Panthers franchise decisions but I just can't get behind this in any tiny aspect of it. Everything about it is just flat out terrible. I love guys like TD and Olsen as much as the next but if they have to go to have sustained success then so be it. No one player can be put above the success of the organization and that is exactly what JR is doing if that's what this decision was ultimately based on. I'm tempted to write a letter to JR though I fear it will be a waste of money on postage and a waste of time as he won't give a sh*t.

[KillerKat]

The more I keep reading about this whole thing, the more I get angrier towards JR. Yeah DG fuged up last year, but he was redeeming himself. And Davis isn't worth a huge contract. JR wants a family friendly good-ol' boys team instead of a winning franchise.

[Hogmolliesmaht]

On the plus side, Gettleman has set this team up for long term success. All the new guy will have to do is not fug it up.

[t96]

3 minutes ago, Hogmolliesmaht said:

On the plus side, Gettleman has set this team up for long term success. All the new guy will have to do is not fug it up.

The work wasn't even close to being done, we need to continue to draft well and make the right moves with guys like Norwell, Trai, Star, etc. in the future. I could see a new guy come in and prioritize KB over those three, which would be a nightmare.

[Hogmolliesmaht]

Just now, thomas96 said:

The work wasn't even close to being done, we need to continue to draft well and make the right moves with guys like Norwell, Trai, Star, etc. in the future. I could see a new guy come in and prioritize KB over those three, which would be a nightmare.

I know. I'm just trying to put a good spin on this madness.

[t96]

1 minute ago, Hogmolliesmaht said:

I know. I'm just trying to put a good spin on this madness.

I'm still pretty damn sure we've got a damn good team this year though so that's another positive spin. Can see us winning it all this year and firing DG has little effect on this year either way.

[PantherCam213]

6 minutes ago, thomas96 said:

The work wasn't even close to being done, we need to continue to draft well and make the right moves with guys like Norwell, Trai, Star, etc. in the future. I could see a new guy come in and prioritize KB over those three, which would be a nightmare.

Somehow I don't see this happening, even with a mediocre candidate.  

[t96]

4 minutes ago, PantherCam213 said:

Somehow I don't see this happening, even with a mediocre candidate.  

If KB explodes this year, which is possible if his pre injury 2015 camp was evidence and being further removed from that and with a better OL and Cam this year, it's not that farfetched. 

[*FreeFua*]

Oh look another long overracting post/thread.

[PantherCam213]

20 minutes ago, thomas96 said:

If KB explodes this year, which is possible if his pre injury 2015 camp was evidence and being further removed from that and with a better OL and Cam this year, it's not that farfetched. 

If the situation changes, the situation changes.

[j2sgam]

I don't think it's one thing Gettleman did, prob'ly more of a culmination of things over the past few years....

 

Do we know what 58 & 88 were asking for? Greg's been a top3 TE for years, paid like top 6-10... How much is TD asking for? Or is he just looking to play a few more years, fairly compensated for a 2yr extension? He's always been a company man, was his last contract well paid for his position just pending staying healthy?

 

we don't know,they could be trying to break the bank.. I think it's more they were lookin for extensions, DG fizzled out of magic...

[t96]

1 minute ago, j2sgam said:

I don't think it's one thing Gettleman did, prob'ly more of a culmination of things over the past few years....

 

Do we know what 58 & 88 were asking for? Greg's been a top3 TE for years, paid like top 6-10... How much is TD asking for? Or is he just looking to play a few more years, fairly compensated for a 2yr extension? He's always been a company man, was his last contract well paid for his position just pending staying healthy?

 

we don't know,they could be trying to break the bank.. I think it's more they were lookin for extensions, DG fizzled out of magic...

I'm fairly positive DG would be willing to keep TD on a deal that reflected what his role would be behind Shaq but with more guaranteed money to reflect his leadership position here, which would theoretically work very well for both sides.

Unsure on Olsen because ultimately guys like Trai, Norwell and Star should be priorities over him based on age and it'd be hard to keep all of them so it's possible DG felt he couldn't realistically keep Greg going forward for even like 5th best paid, let alone if Greg is asking for top paid TE which is possible and arguably justified by his play. But when looking at long term deals Greg's age of 32 is a huge huge factor.

[ladypanther]

So...Gettleman sent Josh packing without having any plan for a halfway competent replacement..and the team and JR were humiliated by opposing receivers for much of the season.

The team has 1 TE...period.  No other talent at that position. No other NFL proven talent at the receiver position.  Our pro bowl,  record setting TE, leading receiver, Cam's go to guy,  was about to get the hard ball.... love it or leave it treatment.  What would that do to the prospects for the season?

JR did not make an emotional decision.  He has seen this movie before.  He made a tough decision that he thought was in the best interest of his team.  Maybe he should have known enough to do it sooner.  Gettleman has done a lot of good...who knows what the discussions have been...over the months and years.  Without this move he saw his ship going down.  A GM has to manage numbers and people.  If we put Hurney and Gettleman in a blender..(with Gman taking up 2/3 of the volume...maybe even 3/4)...we would have a very good GM for the Panthers.

The season is not lost.  In fact...I think it may have been saved.

[Jangler]

well. clearly we are going after whoever's GM wins the superbowl.