And another one. Thomas Davis wants a contract extension before Training Camp.

[kungfoodude]

I feel you, but I don't think either player is looking at the Kalil situation and using it as motivation for their personal contract negotiations. This is solely about their own situations and desires/reasons for wanting new deals. Their (TD and GO) situations are also very different. 

Oh I am sure they are not. From their perspective, I doubt they begrudge most other players getting paid. I wouldn't if I was a player.

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[SOJA]

15 hours ago, thebigcat said:

I like TD, arguably the greatest Panther of all time and a true gentleman (took pictures with my boys recently). But this is where the illusion and grandeur stops, this business is where it is a privilege and not a right to earn your spot and contract. It was "sentimental" deals that have made this team 20+ years of average at best without ever posting back to back winning seasons.

 

If the team thinks TD can contribute and at a salary that justifies his market rate then certainly would welcome him to stay, but if the coaching staff thinks his replacement is ready and he is not ready to play second fiddle or play at a contract that represents his value then a nice public announcement about his time with the Panthers and allow him to explore the market. 

 

If Joe Montana can play for the Chiefs, Jordan for the Wizards, Emmitt for the Cardinals then TD can finish his career as a Jet as far as I am concerned if his value/production are not in line with the Carolina Panthers, any athlete at some point of their career is expendable.

Michael Jordan retired from the Bulls then came back to play for the Wizards, completely different situation 

[propagandamachine]

Panthers Dont owe poo to TD... they were by his side when he went through 3 Knee surgeries... its a business hes an old man. 

 

#gettlemagic. 

 

How many years do you think he will continue to be productive. \

BE ANTIFRAGILE OR DIE 

[CarolinaNCSU]

Yeahhhh I love TD, and wish he could stay forever.  But it's a risk every time he's on the field and Shaq is (hopefully) about to explode onto the scene.  DG can hopefully get tricky with an extension ...voidable years, inventive laden, whatever.  But a few years with high guarantees?  That's a way to quickly break this team up, and lose a couple young core guys. 

[IceWhiteice]

I wish we didn't sign short to that huge deal.

[SeoulPanther]

14 hours ago, RoaringRiot said:

I feel you, but I don't think either player is looking at the Kalil situation and using it as motivation for their personal contract negotiations. This is solely about their own situations and desires/reasons for wanting new deals. Their (TD and GO) situations are also very different. 

So if its not the context of the Kalil contract what has led 2 of the most consistent Panthers in recent years to suddenly look for commitment/money from the organisation at exactly the same time, just prior to training camp? Coincidence? Or maybe they didn't realize that numerous other key players contracts are up this year? C'mon. They are both too professional to come out and say as much, but surely such a contract would put their team friendly deals in a different light in their minds? You honestly can't see any connection? Of course we had to sign an LT. And of course it was a bad year to do it. But that doesn't mean that contract was great value or that it doesn't have a domino affect on the cap and other players negotiations. 

[RoaringRiot]

3 minutes ago, SeoulPanther said:

So if its not the context of the Kalil contract what has led 2 of the most consistent Panthers in recent years to suddenly look for commitment/money from the organisation at exactly the same time, just prior to training camp? Coincidence? Or maybe they didn't realize that numerous other key players contracts are up this year? C'mon. They are both too professional to come out and say as much, but surely such a contract would put their team friendly deals in a different light in their minds? You honestly can't see any connection? Of course we had to sign an LT. And of course it was a bad year to do it. But that doesn't mean that contract was great value or that it doesn't have a domino affect on the cap and other players negotiations. 

One is a top two TE getting paid as the number seven and getting close to the end of his career. 

The other is in the final year of his deal coming off a Pro Bowl season who still thinks he can produce at that level.

Kalil's contact has nothing to do with it. 

[SeoulPanther]

 Yes and they are getting underpaid because they took team friendly deals. And the Kalil contract should make them question those deals. I guess we can agree to disagree on the motivation and timing for their demands and we will never know definitively either way. But factual outcomes of the Kalil contract are:

  1: It used up cap space which has a knock on effect on money available for other negotiations.

That's irrevocable. By overpaying we have greater risk of losing a key player.

  2: Players use other contracts given out as indicators for the value they receive.

Thus the bar is raised. That's bad enough when you have star, Norwell, and Turner lining up to be paid but worse when your team leaders start agitating for more money.

[RoaringRiot]

I can say with the most certainty that TD and Olsen didn't look at Matt Kalil's contract and decide that they wanted more money because of what he is getting paid. These dudes aren't petty. Both of them have legitimate arguments - Olsen has way out performed his contract and TD is in his final year - for wanting/deserving more money. It's that black and white. 

[RoaringRiot]

Both TD and Greg have had top 8 contracts in the league the last two seasons. Why would anyone consider those "team friendly" deals? 

Outside of Tom Brady is there really such a thing as a player signing a team friendly deal? A major player? I can't think of any but I'm trying. 

[Snake]

Love Davis but giving him big money is not going to happen. Shaq should be getting at least 50% of the snaps next year. Now Olsen needs to get paid. 

[SeoulPanther]

3 hours ago, RoaringRiot said:

Both TD and Greg have had top 8 contracts in the league the last two seasons. Why would anyone consider those "team friendly" deals? 

Outside of Tom Brady is there really such a thing as a player signing a team friendly deal? A major player? I can't think of any but I'm trying. 

Here's why. Because Olsen has been at worst top 2. 3 successive 1000 yard seasons. And hes obviously carried the panthers receiving. And Davis although not HOF has been the soul of our D for years. They could have got more. Now you can say they undersold themselves or that they took a team friendly deal as you like. But then you bring in a guy who has been a contender for THE WORST LT in the NFL since his rookie season and waaay overpay him. And you think that they won't be bothered by that?

Try looking at Raiders Carr if you want a recent example. He could have taken more than 25 per. But he didn't on the promise that they would secure the LG. Which has subsequently happened. You can argue that  25 isn't especially team friendly. Especially compared to say Brady. But the point is every contract has a subsequent knock on effect.

[RoaringRiot]

7 hours ago, SeoulPanther said:

Here's why. Because Olsen has been at worst top 2. 3 successive 1000 yard seasons. And hes obviously carried the panthers receiving. And Davis although not HOF has been the soul of our D for years. They could have got more. Now you can say they undersold themselves or that they took a team friendly deal as you like. But then you bring in a guy who has been a contender for THE WORST LT in the NFL since his rookie season and waaay overpay him. And you think that they won't be bothered by that?

Try looking at Raiders Carr if you want a recent example. He could have taken more than 25 per. But he didn't on the promise that they would secure the LG. Which has subsequently happened. You can argue that  25 isn't especially team friendly. Especially compared to say Brady. But the point is every contract has a subsequent knock on effect.

Couple things....

You can't count Olsen's 3rd year of 1000 yards since it was after he signed the contract. When he signed his new deal he was basically tied for the 4th highest TE salary behind Gronk (he should be), Graham (was dominate at the time of his contract but I'd take Olsen now), and Thomas (Jags have to overpay). So you can argue that he took a "team friendly" deal or that he could have gotten more, but being paid top four TE money is a pretty fair deal for him. Your point of him having 3 years in a row and carrying the Panthers' offense are actually the exact reasons he wants a new deal - not because of Kalil. 

TD is being paid like a top 10 OLB. Seems pretty fair, especially considering his injury history. TD wants more years. 

Neither one of their contracts were "team friendly" or undersold their value. They were (at the time) very fair contracts. 

I'm not sure you really understand the Kalil contract very well. For starters, LT contracts are some of the highest in the league other than QBs. If you compare what Kalil got in relation to Reiff (who replaced him) and Okung then it's comparable to the market value - those two guys graded slightly higher than Kalil (none have been great but the demand for LT is high). Kalil's cap his this year is ~$4M and ~$6.75 next season. The Panthers can dump him after 2018 with ~$7M in dead cap space that can be spread out over a couple of seasons. That is far from "waaaay" overpaying him. If Kalil plays out his contract then that means he's played well, protected Cam for many years, we're more than likely winning, and the ~$15/m a year will actually be a bargain in 2021.

But back to my point....TD and Olsen both have strong arguments as to why they deserve new contracts. This is solely based on their performances and the importance of their roles to the team. They're not looking at Kalil and thinking "hey that guy sucks and got a ton of money so I deserve more money" as you suggest. That sounds ridiculous to even type. 

And I'm happy to agree to disagree, but if you're going to keep saying "they could have taken more" or that they're "bothered that a sucky Kalil got a big contract", can you back that up with some facts? Or is that just your assumption that you're pushing? 

[MHS831]

When you give a deal to a player in his mid thirties, you better look forward instead of back.  I love TD---he might be my favorite panther ever, but his is starting to slow down, his role will be limited, and I think his best fit might be as a backup, situational player.  So, if he wants another year, it needs to be near closer to vet min than his current numbers.