Is Anyone Concerned About Cowher.....

[goodoleboy]

Changing scheme doesn't mean switching to a 3-4. Getting rid of the bend but don't break bullsh*t is what needs to go. Fox will never be the coach he was in '02 and '03. That's done and over with.

If its Cowher we will run a 34. That's what he knows.

I thought Fox changed last season when we went back to being run focused but then got fat and happy again after 12-4. I wonder if Steeler fans said the same thing about Cowher in his 8th and 9th seasons.

[Nu Guns]

I dont want Cowher...he uses the same formula as Fox

This team needs some flash

[KillerKat]

I dont want Cowher...he uses the same formula as Fox

This team needs some flash

if by same formula you mean completely opposite then yeah i agree.

[KillerKat]

I mean really, how can you say they have the same formula? One coach actually makes changes to improve his team while the other is an arrogant dumbass stuck in his ways. One only had 3 losing seasons in 15 years, the other can't put back to back winning seasons together in 8. How the hell do they have the same formula?

[Jangler]

[CosmoGirl]

becoming George Seifert part 2?

That's what I pretty much said to the guys at the bar who said that Cowher was coming here. We don't want another Seifert.

[Jangler]

[Cyberjag]

I am sorry Mr Jerry. I didn't know the owner of the panthers was on this board posting. LOL. Dude who died and made you god. You don't know what is going to happen at the end of the season. For all you know Fox is most likly cleaning out his desk and getting ready to drive off from here after the season is over. And Jerry could be already talking to Bill and asking him to come and coach the panthers next year. Who knows. You sure don't.:willy_nilly::rant:

Wow, nice leap there buddy. Tell you what, you got me. I can't offer a guarantee that Cowher won't be here. I just think it's exceedingly unlikely. I don't think so because I know the Richardsons, and I don't think so because I'm some kind of super-intelligent know-it-all. Hell, I didn't even stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night, I'm just an average shmoe who doesn't mind doing basic research before spouting off at my keyboard. And in reading up on the situation, I have become convinced that Cowher will not be Carolina's next coach. Here's why.

The Panthers have had three coaches in their history. Two were successful--Dom Capers and John Fox. Both were DCs for established teams. In fact, Capers and Cowher developed the version of the 3-4 that everyone's salivating over here. Capers set a record for wins by an expansion team and had the team in the NFC Championship game his second year. Fox was in the Superbowl his second year. Two DCs, two success stories.

And one coach was not successful, George Seifert. He had a better pedigree than Cowher does, and despite all of your protests he was a hell of a defensive coach. His defense in San Francisco was just as if not more impressive than Cowher's was in Pittsburgh. Seifert's 49ers had the second best D in the NFL twice, the third best twice, the fourth best twice, the sixth best once, and he finished 16th in the only year he didn't make the playoffs. That's a hell of a track record, and he did it while making wholesale changes to that side of the ball. Hate on him all you want, but the guy had a hell of an outstanding resume.

So if a coach with Seifert's resume failed as badly as he did, and two defensive coordinators succeeded as well as they did, why would Richardson go back to the established ranks route again? It's expensive, it rarely works as well as you think it would, it runs counter to his stated philosophy, and it's not part of the model he follows (which happens to be the way the Steelers do things). Throw in the fact that Cowher wants control over personnel matters as well (like we gave to Capers), and you've really got a persuasive argument for it not happening.

So yes, he COULD hire Cowher. But every sign out there points in the other direction. In fact, all the evidence suggests that even if we go 5-11, if the team is still behind Fox and seats are in the stands then Fox will be back next year. You alluded to that yourself, and you're right about that. It's how the Steelers do it, and their operations are what Jerry admires.

All of the people who think we should or will hire Cowher offer the fact that he has a house in Raleigh (did you know he went to State?) as evidence, and that's about all. There's no history to suggest we'll make him an offer, there's no relationship with him outside of the Capers affair that ended badly, and there's been no statement from either side that indicates they've been talking.

Really, all there's been is message-board wishful thinking. I know that's enough for some of you, but not for me. Sorry, you're just not as persuasive as history.

[PanthersFanNY]

I can't wait till the love fest for Cowher ends on this board.

Why in the hell does everyone love him so much?

[magnus]

I can't wait till the love fest for Cowher ends on this board.

Why in the hell does everyone love him so much?

*people know who he is

*he yells a lot

*he won at a time in the past

*he lives in Raleigh and that's somehow relevant

Not a ton to hang a hat on. All of the experienced coaches out there that won Super Bowls have flaws, and that you're not getting the Steeler franchise is a big part of his. If the best of his assistants you can get right now are Gailey and Haslett, you can't expect LeBeau. And right now Lebeau has more rings than Cowher.

[goodlay]

No coach has ever won a Super Bowl with two teams. The most mediocre years were under Cowher, and if you didn't notice, it took him quite a bit of time to finally win the Super Bowl.

I just think that there are way better options out there, and that going with an up and coming guy is better than trying to get a coach that is past his better years.

[ZZ~]

Cowher also played in a somewhat easy division for many of those years and is why he made it to the playoffs on a regular basis. Bungles and Brownies have been horrible more than they have been decent. The Ravens have had a good D for many years but that was about it. Prior to realignment - the old AFC Central had the Oilers (now Titans) and Jaguars so Cowher taking 15 years to win the SuperBowl doesn't impress me. I really haven't been excited over Cowher as a potential coaching replacement as I never saw him as a 'great' coach - a player's coach maybe and fun to watch - but I don't pay big money to go watch a coach on the sidelines.

[Nu Guns]

I mean really, how can you say they have the same formula? One coach actually makes changes to improve his team while the other is an arrogant dumbass stuck in his ways. One only had 3 losing seasons in 15 years, the other can't put back to back winning seasons together in 8. How the hell do they have the same formula?

Killer,

Dont get me wrong Cowher would be a much welcomed change over Fox.

But Cowher is also a defense/run the ball smash mouth play coach.

I like those traits, but I want a coach who can bring in and develop a QB and diversify the offense. I am not saying Cowher could not do that, but I think Gruden is a better fit for what I am personally looking for.

Cowher did not have any stud qb's while he was in Pitt.

He did attempt to change things up with Cordell Stewart back in the day so that is promising he would not over look picking up a player like a Pat White.

He also brought in Ben , but the success of those two years with Cowher was more the success of the running game not Big Ben.

He is my 2nd choice, but I just prefer Gruden.

I think Gruden would get more points on the board which is what Charlotte needs to solidify the fan base of all the migrants

[Kevin Greene]

Killer,

Dont get me wrong Cowher would be a much welcomed change over Fox.

But Cowher is also a defense/run the ball smash mouth play coach.

I like those traits, but I want a coach who can bring in and develop a QB and diversify the offense. I am not saying Cowher could not do that, but I think Gruden is a better fit for what I am personally looking for.

Cowher did not have any stud qb's while he was in Pitt.

He did attempt to change things up with Cordell Stewart back in the day so that is promising he would not over look picking up a player like a Pat White.

He also brought in Ben , but the success of those two years with Cowher was more the success of the running game not Big Ben.

He is my 2nd choice, but I just prefer Gruden.

I think Gruden would get more points on the board which is what Charlotte needs to solidify the fan base of all the migrants

Not sure Gruden is the guy to do that. He enjoyed success as a HC with Rich Gannon and Brad Johnson as the starting QBs, guys who were seasoned Vets before they ever played for Gruden.