The Thing I Don't Like About The Monk Pick...

[MountainHeel66]

My worry isn't coming off the bench vs starting, it is Clifford playing him PERIOD. Clifford is absolutely terrible about giving young guys the burn they need to develop. Even when you had guys like Bismack looking like they were on the verge of figuring things out and averaging some great numbers per minute, Clifford wouldn't know what to do with them. Granted we haven't always had the best of young or rookie talent around here but NOTHING Cliff has done in his time here tells me he knows WTF to do with a player that isn't a 5 year vet.

And seriously.. nothing against the MAN, he seems like a great person, but I'm 1000% done with the MKG experiment. He has taken up a roster spot long enough. Ill take someone that plays 3/4 of his defense and can actually put the ball in the bucket once in a while. Or, ya know, get the other team to play A LITTLE defense on them. His presence has gotten the idiot gm to overlook several FAR BETTER prospects over the years just because we don't want to admit he is a total BUST for where he was drafted. WAY TOOO MUCH EGO is wrapped up between the front office and MKG and its choking the life out of this franchise at times.

[Woodie]

3 hours ago, MountainHeel66 said:

My worry isn't coming off the bench vs starting, it is Clifford playing him PERIOD. Clifford is absolutely terrible about giving young guys the burn they need to develop. Even when you had guys like Bismack looking like they were on the verge of figuring things out and averaging some great numbers per minute, Clifford wouldn't know what to do with them. Granted we haven't always had the best of young or rookie talent around here but NOTHING Cliff has done in his time here tells me he knows WTF to do with a player that isn't a 5 year vet.

And seriously.. nothing against the MAN, he seems like a great person, but I'm 1000% done with the MKG experiment. He has taken up a roster spot long enough. Ill take someone that plays 3/4 of his defense and can actually put the ball in the bucket once in a while. Or, ya know, get the other team to play A LITTLE defense on them. His presence has gotten the idiot gm to overlook several FAR BETTER prospects over the years just because we don't want to admit he is a total BUST for where he was drafted. WAY TOOO MUCH EGO is wrapped up between the front office and MKG and its choking the life out of this franchise at times.

I like MKG, we just have to understand what he is.  And that's a defensive stopper and rebounder.  He can be a solid starter on a championship level team, but it has to be in a situation like Dennis Rodman was in with Chicago.  He has to be surrounded with dynamic scorers that can compensate for his lack of scoring so he can focus on his defense and getting key rebounds.  Otherwise, his best fit is probably coming off the bench.

The problem on this team is that we don't have the scoring threats to offset his deficiencies.  Even though Kemba is a good scorer, he's not a guy that can easily put up points in bunches.  He's probably a natural 15-18 point guy, not the 25-30 point guy MKG needs.    

[MountainHeel66]

16 minutes ago, Woodie said:

I like MKG, we just have to understand what he is.  And that's a defensive stopper and rebounder.  He can be a solid starter on a championship level team, but it has to be in a situation like Dennis Rodman was in with Chicago.  He has to be surrounded with dynamic scorers that can compensate for his lack of scoring so he can focus on his defense and getting key rebounds.  Otherwise, his best fit is probably coming off the bench.

The problem on this team is that we don't have the scoring threats to offset his deficiencies.  Even though Kemba is a good scorer, he's not a guy that can easily put up points in bunches.  He's probably a natural 15-18 point guy, not the 25-30 point guy MKG needs.    

 I guess that is my point if i remove the emotion. I don't hate him or what he brings. The problem is that as long as he is here the front office and staff seem hell bent on pushing him out there as a #2 overall pick and treating him like an untouchable. But he has not lived up to his draft position or his potential and thats a hard truth the Hornets need to face. In the mean time he is constantly injured, his offensive output is terrible and we continually look past people who could fill the gaps we need filled... simply because it would interfere with MKG. Its not what is best for him and it is not what is best for us. 

If we could use him like Rodman then I'd be 100% on board. But we don't and likely won't. At some point the franchise has to change or they have to move on. Whichever one that is im fine with but at the moment we are simply beating our heads against a wall with the young man.

[Woodie]

17 minutes ago, MountainHeel66 said:

 I guess that is my point if i remove the emotion. I don't hate him or what he brings. The problem is that as long as he is here the front office and staff seem hell bent on pushing him out there as a #2 overall pick and treating him like an untouchable. But he has not lived up to his draft position or his potential and thats a hard truth the Hornets need to face. In the mean time he is constantly injured, his offensive output is terrible and we continually look past people who could fill the gaps we need filled... simply because it would interfere with MKG. Its not what is best for him and it is not what is best for us. 

If we could use him like Rodman then I'd be 100% on board. But we don't and likely won't. At some point the franchise has to change or they have to move on. Whichever one that is im fine with but at the moment we are simply beating our heads against a wall with the young man.

I agree that we do put too much on MKG.  He's a role player, he shouldn't be a core player if we really want to compete.  Unfortunately, barring hitting big on a draft pick, we likely won't be getting a superstar that will allow us to easily move on from him or shift his role. 

IMO, I think a big reason they emphasize him so much is because despite his offensive deficiencies, he has elite defense.  And since we do not have an abundance of players with elite anything, they keep holding out hope that his offense will at least improve to decent.  And I think Jordan probably sees a little Rodman to him...minus the crazy.  

[Porn Shop Clerk]

It's not MKG's fault that we only have one player on the team that can score.

[PrimeTimeHeel]

On 6/24/2017 at 0:44 AM, Proudiddy said:

I've already stated how much I love everything about the pick, so, the title is kind of clickbait-y, lol, but not really...  because I watched Cho's quick presser last night and he repeatedly stated that Monk will be providing scoring off the bench.  *facepalm*  If that's how they plan on using him, that's what I don't like about the pick - how they plan on using him.

Don't get me wrong, you need scoring off the bench and a lot of comparisons Monk has been drawing are to guys like Jamal Crawford and Lou Williams.  Either way, we could use that, but ideally, I was envisioning a starting lineup of Dwight-Frank-Batum-Monk-Kemba.  It would essentially be the 4-out/Dwight-in lineup that Orlando ran with Dwight when he dominated, except we have more dynamic playmakers in Kemba and Batum.  Am I alone in this?

How the fug does Cho or anyone know if Monk cant win the starting SG spot? 

Hate how Cliff doesn't play the best players. People are already penciled into roles before even the 1st practice. 

Complete BS. 

 

[MillionDollarCam]

I think the notion that MKG can't score is a little inaccurate.

This isn't a guy who averages 9 points per game cause he only puts up 9 points on a daily basis. He scored in double figures in 37 games last year.

I think it's a combination of MKG being very timid offensively as well as realizing that he is not the number one or even number two option on the team.

Kemba, Batum, and Marvin were obviously the top three scoring options with MKG coming in as the fourth, when you take that into account it's easy to see why he doesn't put up many 20 point games. He only had two games last year where he put up 20 or more points, but he shot a combined 63% from the field in those two games while taking an average of 15 shots in those two games (two times more shots than he averaged during the entire season: 7.6 attempts per game).

 

[Woodie]

1 hour ago, MillionDollarCam said:

I think the notion that MKG can't score is a little inaccurate.

This isn't a guy who averages 9 points per game cause he only puts up 9 points on a daily basis. He scored in double figures in 37 games last year.

I think it's a combination of MKG being very timid offensively as well as realizing that he is not the number one or even number two option on the team.

Kemba, Batum, and Marvin were obviously the top three scoring options with MKG coming in as the fourth, when you take that into account it's easy to see why he doesn't put up many 20 point games. He only had two games last year where he put up 20 or more points, but he shot a combined 63% from the field in those two games while taking an average of 15 shots in those two games (two times more shots than he averaged during the entire season: 7.6 attempts per game).

 

I think the biggest issue is consistency.  Yes, he can score, but you can't always count on him to score when you need him to.  I do agree that a big reason for that is that he is timid on offense.  Which is why I don't think he'll ever become a dominant force on offense. You either have that killer instinct, or you don't...and MKG doesn't.  But he is a very good glue guy if you have the right pieces around him. 

[MillionDollarCam]

12 minutes ago, Woodie said:

I think the biggest issue is consistency.  Yes, he can score, but you can't always count on him to score when you need him to.  I do agree that a big reason for that is that he is timid on offense.  Which is why I don't think he'll ever become a dominant force on offense. You either have that killer instinct, or you don't...and MKG doesn't.  But he is a very good glue guy if you have the right pieces around him. 

I very much agree. At times I find myself wondering why doesn't he just take the ball to the rim. He's a decent ball handler and finishes pretty well with contact. I'm curious as to if his role is similar to Zeller's as to where he actually doesn't have plays called for him or if it is indeed a confidence issue.

I lean toward the confidence issue. The reasoning is because a lot of games the Hornets will start off with MKG attacking and taking the ball to the rim to try and get him involved as well as set the tone. I feel like you shouldn't have to do that for an NBA player but who know's, there is a reason I'm not a coach.

I'm just curious as to why we only see this MKG a couple times a season.

 

[FuFuLamePoo]

Late to this thread but you know Clifford is normally weary of playing rookies, especially freshmen like Monk.  If he comes in and shows he deserves to start, he will start by the second half of the season.  Bench suits him best right now, no need to throw him into the wolves.  Rookies generally don't start much in the NBA anyways.  Aside of the guys in the top 5 (aside of Tatum), idk if any other rookies will be starting game one.  Maybe more this year, just because the draft was so loaded