Shula

[imminent rogaine]

He needs our support so he can have confidence? What kind of bullshit is that?

What he needs to do his act like a professional offensive coordinator and earn his fugging pay check. He needs to quickly call plays that play to the strengths of our offense and attack the weakness of the defense. He does not do this consistently and isn't at the same level as 90% of the other OCs in the NFL. 2015 gives him the benefit of the doubt but if he can't get his poo together with the squad that DG has brought in this year, kick his ass to the curb.

[PandaPancake]

Ban OP and sterilize him.

[Ricky Spanish]

35 minutes ago, tarheelfan23 said:

Like i said he is not the best play caller but not at the bottom either.  IF you take Shula our of Cam, Cam might be kaepernick

Wait...

55 minutes ago, tarheelfan23 said:

Can we all just stop the Shula hate...the guy is a very good play caller and he needs our support.  If we can all get behind him and as the fans show our support it will give him the confidence to be the best play caller in the league like i know he can....The guy is creative but the players juts have to execute.....

 

Lets go for an awesome ride we are about to have next season

 

@rhyslloyd

You sit on a throne of lies

[tarheelfan23]

13 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

Wait...

You sit on a throne of lies

you can be very good and not the best all the time......sorry its hard for you to understand this

[tarheelfan23]

10 minutes ago, Promethean Forerunner said:

Smells like Igo's work haha

smells like you gina

[Cam2Ligit2Quit]

32 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

I think the problem is that what folks think are easy adjustments to make in game really aren't. For example if Cam is getting pummeled on 5 step drops going to screen passes isn't going to magically change anything. And going to quick timing passes sounds good if you are running a WCO but are not what a Coryell vertical system is built on. If it is a simple adjustment you can pretty much figure the coach who develops a good pregame plan would also actually have planned certain adjustments if the defense changes up based on the likelihood that they have seen other teams make similar adjustments. This is a copy cat league. 

The issue is actually more complex and is usually more about constant adjustments from play to play, teams disguising what they do, and players winning individual matchups as they progress through the game. A DE setting up one move for 3 plays by doing something else and then on 3rd down go to that move. Playcalling gets too much credit or blame while execution and physical talent are actually much more important and are often overlooked or minimized.

I'm not saying it's easy or I can coach better than Shula. There is a reason I'm not being paid millions to be an OC. All I'm saying he is below average when it comes to in game adjustement. I doubt his ability to maximize the talent on this team. I hope he can prove me wrong. 

[Cookie Lyon]

48 minutes ago, imminent rogaine said:

He needs our support so he can have confidence? What kind of bullshit is that?

What he needs to do his act like a professional offensive coordinator and earn his fugging pay check. He needs to quickly call plays that play to the strengths of our offense and attack the weakness of the defense. He does not do this consistently and isn't at the same level as 90% of the other OCs in the NFL. 2015 gives him the benefit of the doubt but if he can't get his poo together with the squad that DG has brought in this year, kick his ass to the curb.

[Ricky Spanish]

19 minutes ago, tarheelfan23 said:

you can be very good and not the best all the time......sorry its hard for you to understand this

No, I understand perfectly, I just think you're wrong (and I don't appreciate the condescension). 

Shula's strength is NOT in playcalling. It is play design. The best year Cam had was in 2015 when he was coming up to the line and doing his impression of Peyton Manning, making reads, changing plays, directing the orchestra. What happened to that last year? The plays were being run through Shula the majority of the year and the offense stagnated (not exclusively for that reason, but it was a contributing factor along with many many others).

Shula has developed one of the most intricate rushing attacks the league has seen in years. The play design is top notch. It really is. The misdirection, the motion, the numerous resulting plays that can be hidden by the formation until the very last second - it's great.

BUT he likes to try and fit square pegs into round holes. Injuries limited our offense and it seemed like he tried nothing to hide the shortcomings of the line. Deep drops for Cam all year when the line can't hold a block in max protect. He has Benjamin running 9 routes while he's too fat to outrun anyone. KB was at his best last year on quick slants, getting him the the ball quickly, getting up to top speed, and then daring anyone to try and tackle him. I understand we run the Air Coryell and it is based firmly on the deeper routes run by receivers, but come on man, there are quick hitters and slants hidden in that playbook somewhere, dust those pages off and let Cam live to see the 4th quarter. 

Now that he has some shinny new toys in CMC and Samuel, he is legitimately 100% out of excuses. 

[tarheelfan23]

16 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

No, I understand perfectly, I just think you're wrong (and I don't appreciate the condescension). 

Shula's strength is NOT in playcalling. It is play design. The best year Cam had was in 2015 when he was coming up to the line and doing his impression of Peyton Manning, making reads, changing plays, directing the orchestra. What happened to that last year? The plays were being run through Shula the majority of the year and the offense stagnated (not exclusively for that reason, but it was a contributing factor along with many many others).

Shula has developed one of the most intricate rushing attacks the league has seen in years. The play design is top notch. It really is. The misdirection, the motion, the numerous resulting plays that can be hidden by the formation until the very last second - it's great.

BUT he likes to try and fit square pegs into round holes. Injuries limited our offense and it seemed like he tried nothing to hide the shortcomings of the line. Deep drops for Cam all year when the line can't hold a block in max protect. He has Benjamin running 9 routes while he's too fat to outrun anyone. KB was at his best last year on quick slants, getting him the the ball quickly, getting up to top speed, and then daring anyone to try and tackle him. I understand we run the Air Coryell and it is based firmly on the deeper routes run by receivers, but come on man, there are quick hitters and slants hidden in that playbook somewhere, dust those pages off and let Cam live to see the 4th quarter. 

Now that he has some shinny new toys in CMC and Samuel, he is legitimately 100% out of excuses. 

first why would we change and not let cam do his thing as he did the previous year when he was the best player on the planet??

 

And the short passes to the RB's have been there, Cam will have to take those throws and let his RBs make the yards for him.  I love cam but he loves the deep ball a little to much sometimes 

[dpm0409]

50 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

No, I understand perfectly, I just think you're wrong (and I don't appreciate the condescension). 

Shula's strength is NOT in playcalling. It is play design. The best year Cam had was in 2015 when he was coming up to the line and doing his impression of Peyton Manning, making reads, changing plays, directing the orchestra. What happened to that last year? The plays were being run through Shula the majority of the year and the offense stagnated (not exclusively for that reason, but it was a contributing factor along with many many others).

Shula has developed one of the most intricate rushing attacks the league has seen in years. The play design is top notch. It really is. The misdirection, the motion, the numerous resulting plays that can be hidden by the formation until the very last second - it's great.

BUT he likes to try and fit square pegs into round holes. Injuries limited our offense and it seemed like he tried nothing to hide the shortcomings of the line. Deep drops for Cam all year when the line can't hold a block in max protect. He has Benjamin running 9 routes while he's too fat to outrun anyone. KB was at his best last year on quick slants, getting him the the ball quickly, getting up to top speed, and then daring anyone to try and tackle him. I understand we run the Air Coryell and it is based firmly on the deeper routes run by receivers, but come on man, there are quick hitters and slants hidden in that playbook somewhere, dust those pages off and let Cam live to see the 4th quarter. 

Now that he has some shinny new toys in CMC and Samuel, he is legitimately 100% out of excuses. 

This is all very well said.  Don't really think you can argue with any of it.  Genuine analysis with some praise and criticism.  Not Shula bashing, just the truth.

[JawnyBlaze]

No. Shula is absolutely horrible. In the bottom few OCs in the league.  He crafts a decent run game but is absolutely clueless in the pass game and doesn't understand adjustments at all. 

[Doc Holiday]

90% of last years problems was the o-line, and refs not calling personal fouls when they started head hunting Cam. As a fan I've never been so mad in my life when a league condones head hunting when they are supposedly about player safety and concussions at the moment.

[tarheelfan23]

1 hour ago, dpm0409 said:

This is all very well said.  Don't really think you can argue with any of it.  Genuine analysis with some praise and criticism.  Not Shula bashing, just the truth.

so if you give praise and criticism it can be the truth?

[mrknowitall]

I think we all put too much blame on Shula. Last season six of our ten losses were by less than a field goal. Gano missed three field goals against Tampa in week seventeen. He missed a GW field goal against Denver like two minutes after making the same kick. DA threw an interception on first and goal on the one yard line by trying to force a ball to Olsen. Kelvin Benjamin allowed Marcus Peters (weighing like forty pounds less than him to strip him of a ball on our side of the field). KB later ran a route like a half yard short on third down against the Raiders. Never mind some of the awful offensive penalties that took away touchdowns and put us in first and long to start off drives. Never mind the defensive struggles.

Of course, we need to do better on third downs and we can't have so many three and outs, and we need to be more consistent from half to half. But at the end of the day, we have to put just as much ownness on the players as we do the coaches.

I watched Cam get sacked two seconds after snapping the ball twice in a row, after having a twenty play offensive drive (KC game).


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