Xbox One X!!! (Not Scorpio)

[d-dave]

Out:  November 7, 2017 - $499

What does it do:  Claims to play everything in native 4k/60.  On a 1080p display, it will super sample games so they look even better.  It will work with all of your existing Xbox One games and accessories.  It allows developers to create fairly stunning games, which I think will be pretty sweet by the time 4K gaming (on consoles) catches up to 4K tvs.  I'm referring to input lag.

Of course, the big kicker will be the software.  Game sell consoles, not specs.  And exclusivity deals with publishers...  OK, so who knows if the XBoxX (someone commented that this looks like a 14 year old kids gamer tag...too true!) will be a success story or not.  While you can get a 4k gaming system in the PS4 Pro for $400, Sony made some major moves with Activision to secure some lucrative exclusives and time frames for the Call of Duty franchise and Destiny, among other games.  That helped to boost the PS4 profile while MS made the boneheaded mistakes as they completely fumbled the XB1 roll out.

So did they learn their lessons?  I hope so.  Sony took a HUGE lead in the PS4/XB1 "battle."  What MS will need to prove is that the Xbox One X can deliver great content, great visuals, and become an enormous value.  I mean, for me personally, my Xbox One is the center piece of my home entertainment system.  I have all of my "back up" movies on an external harddrive, which is plays easily.  It's my main blu ray player.  It's my gaming machine.  My 5 year old can run it, my WIFE (who doesn't play games at all) can run it, and it's been extremely reliable in my experience (which is me, not the multitudes with different experiences).  

Therefore, I am hyped for the system, and I'm going to work on making some summer cash to get myself one.  While I do have a 4k TV (in my bedroom, not the best place to play game for hours), I'm hoping for a lower input lag from a 4k TV in the 55-60" range in the next couple of years will make me want to upgrade that too.

Thoughts?  Counter arguments?  Light name calling? =P

[cookinwithgas]

I love my XB1, use voice commands on it and it drives my family crazy since they don't seem to want to treat it like a computer, more like a kid - when they ask it to do something and it doesnt respond they start yelling at it which of course doesn't work, then i walk and an calmly tell it what to do, they hate that LOL

[Zaximus]

I hate all these versions of consoles.   PC gaming is now a much cheaper option and has more games.    Crazy.

[Dex]

34 minutes ago, Zaximus said:

I hate all these versions of consoles.   PC gaming is now a much cheaper option and has more games.    Crazy.

I got a PS4 for the exclusives and so that I'm not sitting at my desk for hours and can relax and play on my bed.

[Doc Holiday]

pretty stoked for this, wont be getting it till maybe May of next year though, will be in school and that will be way more important then any game!

 

[Porn Shop Clerk]

1 hour ago, Dex said:

I got a PS4 for the exclusives and so that I'm not sitting at my desk for hours and can relax and play on my bed.

You can do this with a PC if you want as well.

[Dex]

Just now, Porn Shop Clerk said:

You can do this with a PC if you want as well.

Care to elaborate good sir?

[Porn Shop Clerk]

40 minutes ago, Dex said:

Care to elaborate good sir?

http://store.steampowered.com/bundle/789/Steam_Controller_and_Link/

If you don't want to move your desktop into your bedroom and use a wireless controller with it, like an xbox one controller or ps4.

[Dex]

4 minutes ago, Porn Shop Clerk said:

http://store.steampowered.com/bundle/789/Steam_Controller_and_Link/

If you don't want to move your desktop into your bedroom and use a wireless controller with it, like an xbox one controller or ps4.

1. This doesn't address exclusives.

2. I own the link and it's a piece of poo. I have excellent internet connection (100 up 20 down) and it's still laggy/glitchy/random FPS drops).

3. The link isn't compatible with all Steam games. 

4. The game still runs on your computer so while you're streaming it to the link you won't be able to use your computer.

 

The Link was a big waste of money. There are certain games I will play on my PC and those are mainly for Mods and 1st person RPGs/FPS. For everything else I'm going console.

[iamcline]

3 hours ago, Zaximus said:

PC gaming is now a much cheaper option

Not true by any stretch.  You can't build a PC capable of playing games 30 FPS @ 720 for $200. PC gaming is cheaper when new consoles come out but now that argument is pointless.

 

[Zaximus]

1 minute ago, iamcline said:

Not true by any stretch.  You can't build a PC capable of playing games 30 FPS @ 720 for $200. PC gaming is cheaper when new consoles come out but now that argument is pointless.

 

I meant that if you want to keep up with consoles best of the best you're going to be buying a new one every 2 years and it isn't $200.     Also the cost of games are far more and take longer to get cheaper.    Take out the sub that Xbox and PS4 require you to pay every year as well (that's 50 bucks at least).   Add in $50 controllers too.  

You can easily build a PC that can play most games at good settings for 4-5 years for like $600-700 if you had to and have a larger selection of games at a cheaper price.    

 

[d-dave]

TL/DR - PC gaming, while becoming more accessable still has a much stepper learning curve than plugging a console.

I appreciate how much more accessible PC gaming is becoming.  Heck, I've been trying to finagle my finances into putting together a good PC.  But what always gets me is that if I want to build a PC, I want something that not only games, but allows me to do my other projects (video editing, 3d design) as well.  Most PCs I put together on PCpartpicker.com (which is a super cool fantasizing website) end up in the $800-1200 range, but they lack a 4k Blu Ray player...

Here's why people still build consoles: they are easy.  While I feel very confident I could build a PC from parts (with some help from youtube) and get it running with a minimum of freakouts; most people aren't that way.  Same reason people buy iphones, it's easy and it works with minimum fuss.  How often do the internets rage at new drivers from AMD and Nvidia that ruin their performance?  While gaming PCs can deliver some insane visual fidelity, they are like performance cars - they need continued maintenance.

Why are the boring yet reliable cars always perennial best sellers?  Because it's easy mode.  Why have automatics overtake manual transmissions?  Easy to operate.  Heck, having a manual is almost a security feature from car thieves!

Also, where the consoles will win is in the living room decor factor.  My OG Xbox One happily sits in our IKEA entertainment stand.  It just hangs out, no worries, occasional updates, but it's super consistent.  That's the case for most consoles.  If I were to build some full ATX tower system with radiators and LED bling...yeah...that will not go over well with the wife.  Building in something like the Fractal Design Node 202 (http://www.fractal-design.com/home/product/cases/node-series/node-202) is not the easist thing to do.

I do not have a dedicated office space, and I think that is more common than you'd think.  My neighbor is of a similar age, and he doesn't have a dedicated office in his out either.  People will make places where they need them, and that's cool, but it's not a universal thing anymore to have a dedicated home computer area with everyone having tablets, smart phones and Chromebooks.

Oh, and where do I do my stuff?  On my work computer.  Not the best, but it will run lightworks (slowly!) and lets me run my 3D drafting work (Sketch Up - great and reasonably light or VectorWorks).  Sorry, I have RUN ON WAY TOO LONG!!

EDIT 2 - PC part picker - something of the size of my xbox one with a blu ray drive:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wV3yd6

PC Part Picker is too much fun!

[Porn Shop Clerk]

17 hours ago, Dex said:

1. This doesn't address exclusives.

2. I own the link and it's a piece of poo. I have excellent internet connection (100 up 20 down) and it's still laggy/glitchy/random FPS drops).

3. The link isn't compatible with all Steam games. 

4. The game still runs on your computer so while you're streaming it to the link you won't be able to use your computer.

 

The Link was a big waste of money. There are certain games I will play on my PC and those are mainly for Mods and 1st person RPGs/FPS. For everything else I'm going console.

I've found a lot of other uses for the Link and I expect it to get better with further software developments.

Exclusives don't make any system worth buying.  The only people that think that own them as status symbols.

I hardwired my link and that fixed a lot of those issues. I expect a lot more of them to be resolved in time.

Name a game the Link isn't compatible with.

Why would you want to use your computer while you're gaming?

There isn't a game out there that makes a console worth playing, much less buying.

[d-dave]

3 minutes ago, Porn Shop Clerk said:

There isn't a game out there that makes a console worth playing, much less buying.

To you, but I think the console market might disagree with you.  While there are tons of AAA games on PC, there are more than a few only available on console.  Might not appeal to you, but it has enough market appeal to drive a business.

Can I get to another point where the newest Xbox is good for PC games?  Devs can spend more time developing 4k content because they know it will be used.  It's good for everyone if more devs move to better visuals.  Wasn't that one of the PCMR claims, that consoles hobbled PC games?

Win/win?