Coaching is why Jarrett shows bust

[Peppermint9030]

and yet were only running the ball 12 times a game....

[rayzor]

the TEs and RBs are the best receiving options on the team after smitty and moose. they should be used a whole lot more. i don't have a problem with the number of targets dropping off significantly for WRs after smitty and moose.

if anything, we need to be targeting the TE and RB more.

[Gman was right]

Seriously, anyone who says Fox was responsible for developing Smith and Moose needs to have their heads examined. Moose was a pro bowler 3 years before Fox came here and he lead the league in receptions the year after. Smith was a pro bowl PR the year before Fox came aboard so it was a no brainer to start him at WR the next year. Fox inherited two pro bowl WRs. He never developed them. Any idiot coach could have taken over and those two still would have been very productive. Stop giving credit where credit isnt due.

[magnus]

Jarrett isn't physical enough and has lots of faults....but he does have good hands. Again, Jarrett has made the catches on Sundays...and he has gotten open. He rarely even gets to be on the field......so the statement he can't get open is based on what? The 2 out of three snaps he got onto the field and wasn't thrown to. Put Smitty on the field for only 4 plays and then you could argue he couldn't get open depending on the game.

He hasn't been here for three years or anything. Not like I watched him at USC either.

[magnus]

Thats what im saying look at the dropoff from 2 to 3 including tes its like we only have 2 recieving options in this offense...

well, we're not going to get every active player a touch and get each of them 6 balls.

And I wouldn't. Smith is the type player you must get the ball to. You need to feed him a little.

but the idea that Jake doesn't distribute the ball has been disproven specifically in this thread and many before it. The guy has faults, but he distributes the ball.

[magnus]

Exactly, I get your point... but what im saying is even if hes playing at the 3 this offense doesnt allow him an oppurtunity. Even if he took over mooses role hes not gonna get the looks.

because he doesn't get open. And when he's not open, he doesn't box out to keep the defender from the ball.

As a matter of fact, I can understand people are lamenting that he's not a dominant receiver and all that but the guy hasn't beaten Moore for the 3rd job.

Why don't we let him beat out a street guy first.

sorry for the triple post.

[CRA]

He hasn't been here for three years or anything. Not like I watched him at USC either.

but like I said, how many acutal plays has Jarrett been on the field for this year?

how many was he on the field for last year?

I just don't get where this "he doesn't get open" stance comes from. In very little playing time during the regular season he HAS gotten open. When thrown to he has shown he can make the catches. Jarrett needs to work on things...I agree but there is no evidence based on game day he can't get open. Not getting on the field....is not evidence when Fox has a long history of not managing playing time for players well or there involvement in the offense.

Also, when has Moose gotten open this year? Moose also has horrible hands. He can block, that is it at this point.

[Claws]

Can't get open when you're not in the game, jmo

[magnus]

Can't get open when you're not in the game, jmo

can't get open when you're not showing any burst and can't beat press coverage

can't get in the game when you're unable to beat out a guy who was on the practice squad last year

why do people not worry about that? Should we just give the guy the job when he hasn't earned it?

[Claws]

He's withering away. Unless he has game time reps, he's not gonna get any better.

Then he's another wasted pick.

I still think with the proper coaching and play calling, he can contribute significantly. Maybe that's just me, but i really do.

[CRA]

can't get open when you're not showing any burst and can't beat press coverage

can't get in the game when you're unable to beat out a guy who was on the practice squad last year

why do people not worry about that? Should we just give the guy the job when he hasn't earned it?

still, there isn't enough play to support any of that......there is more to support Fox and company don't know how to get guys ready for the next level, don't know how to manage playing time for guys or call plays to put people in position for success.

Majority of the snaps this year feature one WR, a couple TEs, and a RB. (Moose is a basically a TE). Moore and Jarrett could have an impact IF they were put in position for it. Too many examples oint to Fox not be able to indentify strength and weaknesses and call plays to put guys in position to excell.....

[magnus]

There's enough to support that Moore was a better player in preseason than Jarrett and that he earned the #3 job. Given he was essentially handed that job and it was a longshot for Moore to make the roster at all, that doesn't say much for Jarrett.

So maybe we don't need to give Jarrett the opportunity of significant playing time till he earns that.

Again, win the job. Get open. This isn't "Fox is misusing him, he'd catch 60 balls if we just gave him a shot." He hasn't earned that.

[ND22]

still, there isn't enough play to support any of that......there is more to support Fox and company don't know how to get guys ready for the next level, don't know how to manage playing time for guys or call plays to put people in position for success.

Majority of the snaps this year feature one WR, a couple TEs, and a RB. (Moose is a basically a TE). Moore and Jarrett could have an impact IF they were put in position for it. Too many examples oint to Fox not be able to indentify strength and weaknesses and call plays to put guys in position to excell.....

I agree, we just never seem to throw to him, or even have him in the game for that matter. Hasn't Jarrett already been quoted this year as to saying the Panthers don't run many 3 receiver sets? How in the world is he going to get any better if he's never on the field?

[monstercat]

I doesn't really matter who the #3WR is, he's not gonna get many chances in this offense unless they change their philosophy.