Coaching is why Jarrett shows bust

[panthers55]

can't get open when you're not showing any burst and can't beat press coverage

can't get in the game when you're unable to beat out a guy who was on the practice squad last year

why do people not worry about that? Should we just give the guy the job when he hasn't earned it?

Since we are ready to start Matt Moore despite him not playing that well in the preseason and during spot duty, why not put Jarrett in there as well. It doesn't matter what they show in practice every day, they are automatically better than our regular starters. Or at least that is the logic a lot of posters have on this site.

He's withering away. Unless he has game time reps, he's not gonna get any better.

Then he's another wasted pick.

I still think with the proper coaching and play calling, he can contribute significantly. Maybe that's just me, but i really do.

What makes you think that? What do you know that all of the coaches don't know even though they work with him hours every day.

still, there isn't enough play to support any of that......there is more to support Fox and company don't know how to get guys ready for the next level, don't know how to manage playing time for guys or call plays to put people in position for success.

Majority of the snaps this year feature one WR, a couple TEs, and a RB. (Moose is a basically a TE). Moore and Jarrett could have an impact IF they were put in position for it. Too many examples oint to Fox not be able to indentify strength and weaknesses and call plays to put guys in position to excell.....

Again what divine insight do you have that counters every thing that the coaches see every practice from July until now. Sure players demonstrate what they have learned in practice everday on game day. But they get a chance to get on the field based on producing in practice. If he isn't playing then obviously he isn't showing enough every day. Do you honestly believe that they wouldn't play them if they thought he was ready. They don't want him to be a bust either. That doesn't make them look good either. Kenny Moore was much better in training camp and the preseason. Plus he can play special teams. What else does Jarrett do??

[panthers55]

I doesn't really matter who the #3WR is, he's not gonna get many chances in this offense unless they change their philosophy.

Depends on what you call a third receiver. Sure we would like Moore or Jarrett to be that guy but until they produce, we will use TEs or running backs as our third receivers. At this point no one has shown they are irreplaceable like Proehl did.

[Gman was right]

Since we are ready to start Matt Moore despite him not playing that well in the preseason and during spot duty, why not put Jarrett in there as well. It doesn't matter what they show in practice every day, they are automatically better than our regular starters. Or at least that is the logic a lot of posters have on this site.

What makes you think that? What do you know that all of the coaches don't know even though they work with him hours every day.

Again what divine insight do you have that counters every thing that the coaches see every practice from July until now. Sure players demonstrate what they have learned in practice everday on game day. But they get a chance to get on the field based on producing in practice. If he isn't playing then obviously he isn't showing enough every day. Do you honestly believe that they wouldn't play them if they thought he was ready. They don't want him to be a bust either. That doesn't make them look good either. Kenny Moore was much better in training camp and the preseason. Plus he can play special teams. What else does Jarrett do??

Probably the same thing you saw when you SWORE up and down all offseason that the new defensive scheme was going to be so much more agressive and better......which of coarse turned out to be WRONG as we told you it would.

Personally, I think jarrett needs a change in scenery. I bet he would be able to revive his career else where since John Fox has never been able to develop a single WR in his entire coaching career. All he can do is ride the backs of two pro bowlers that he inherited when he came here in Moose and Smith.

[panthers55]

Probably the same thing you saw when you SWORE up and down all offseason that the new defensive scheme was going to be so much more agressive and better......which of coarse turned out to be WRONG as we told you it would.

Personally, I think jarrett needs a change in scenery. I bet he would be able to revive his career else where since John Fox has never been able to develop a single WR in his entire coaching career. All he can do is ride the backs of two pro bowlers that he inherited when he came here in Moose and Smith.

You are so locked in your own dogma you don't really listen to what any else is saying. Or you would know that I did say that we would be more aggressive and play better pass defense eventually but not right away. I predicted at the bye we would be 1-2 or 0-3. The only way we would win would be if the offense picks up the slack which they haven't. I had hoped it would be by now but in watching them against Dallas, I am surely concerned they stand around flat footed and fail to aggressively attack everyone who comes into their zone. And the safeties have been abysmal. Godfrey looks lost most of the time.

As for Smith, he was an all-pro as a returner in 2001 not as a receiver. Fox is totally responsible for developing him. All of his all-pro years as a receiver have been under Fox beginning in 2005, no one else. And he won the triple crown under Fox that year.. As for Moose, he didn't have an all-pro year until 2004. What is clear is that Fox and Jake made Smith, and allowed Moose to go from good to great.

[CRA]

Again what divine insight do you have that counters every thing that the coaches see every practice from July until now. Sure players demonstrate what they have learned in practice everday on game day. But they get a chance to get on the field based on producing in practice. If he isn't playing then obviously he isn't showing enough every day. Do you honestly believe that they wouldn't play them if they thought he was ready. They don't want him to be a bust either. That doesn't make them look good either. Kenny Moore was much better in training camp and the preseason. Plus he can play special teams. What else does Jarrett do??

DeShaun Foster getting too much time on Sunday, Williams not enough in 07. Hanging on to guys with lots of reps at the WR who were complete garbage in Colbert and Carter. Sticking with Vinny and Carr when Moore showed well before he was finally put in he was the best option in 07. Charles Godfrey. Those are just a few examples in recent history that Fox has trouble knowing when and how to use guys. All were OBVIOUS to the average NFL fan and non Panther fan.

yeah, Fox says Moore and Jarrett aren't ready. They look ready on Sunday. Which is what matters in the NFL. All people have to knock on those two guys is Fox's word and not what they have shown in games that mattered. imo. Fox has more than once gone sat guys on the sideline who were ready....and proved him wrong. They were obvious errors on Fox's part.

[panthers55]

DeShaun Foster getting too much time on Sunday, Williams not enough in 07. Hanging on to guys with lots of reps at the WR who were complete garbage in Colbert and Carter. Sticking with Vinny and Carr when Moore showed well before he was finally put in he was the best option in 07. Those are just a few example of recent history that Fox has trouble knowing when and how to use guys. All were OBVIOUS to the average NFL fan and non Panther fan.

That dog don't hunt. We have argued ad nauseum about why Williams didn't play in the early part of 2007. He was soft and didn't worked hard needing frequent breaks. He couldn't block and was too often caught in the backfield for losses. As the year progressed and Foster fumbled and looked worse, Williams got more and more work.

As for Carter and Colbert, we stuck with them because we had no one better, they were working on their rookie contract and were cheap. They were released when their rookie contract was up and we didn't think they were worth the money they were making yet alone more.

What is obvious to a knowledgeable fan is that players have to earn the right to play and Fox like any coach will play who we have until a new guy shows they are better. The fact that we started guys like Munnerlyn, Otah, Godfrey, and Beason as rookies over veterans is evidence enough that the best players are the one that play. This loyalty rap is way over blown.

[Empty Hand]

Who is this Dwayne Jarrett you speak of and why is there a thread in the Panthers huddle about so called person.

[CRA]

That dog don't hunt. We have argued ad nauseum about why Williams didn't play in the early part of 2007. He was soft and didn't worked hard needing frequent breaks. He couldn't block and was too often caught in the backfield for losses. As the year progressed and Foster fumbled and looked worse, Williams got more and more work.

As for Carter and Colbert, we stuck with them because we had no one better, they were working on their rookie contract and were cheap. They were released when their rookie contract was up and we didn't think they were worth the money they were making yet alone more.

What is obvious to a knowledgeable fan is that players have to earn the right to play and wFox like any coach will play who we have until a new guy shows they are better. The fact that we started guys like Munnerlyn, Otah, Godfrey, and Beason as rookies over veterans is evidence enough that the best players are the one that play. This loyalty rap is way over blown.

he may have been soft and needed better offseason work....but he proved that season he could make more plays and be less of a liability than Foster. Foster was bad. DeAngelo may not have been putting in the work to be the DWill we all know now....but he was the better option that year and better RB.

We stuck with them and no better options were being sought. Big difference Fox was content w/ that.....there is a reason there were no better options. Plenty of better and options that could not required digging deep into the pocket when it came to Colbert.

Loyalty is not over blown....but more should be but on how stubborn Fox is. Godfrey, Colbert, Foster are prime examples of it...he committed to giving them the job.....and there plays shows they all should be should have been removed. Fox is loyal and that isn't a bad thing for a lockerroom....but when he has made an error on the depth chart he does in fact refuse to address it. Simply put, he won't address it. Fox has plan A established week 1....only injury will cause anything to change.

[panthers55]

he may have been soft and needed better offseason work....but he proved that season he could make more plays and be less of a liability than Foster. Foster was bad. DeAngelo may not have been putting in the work to be the DWill we all know now....but he was the better option that year and better RB.

We stuck with them and no better options were being sought. Big difference Fox was content w/ that.....there is a reason there were no better options. Plenty of better and options that could not required digging deep into the pocket when it came to Colbert.

Loyalty is not over blown....but more should be but on how stubborn Fox is. Godfrey, Colbert, Foster are prime examples of it...he committed to giving them the job.....and there plays shows they all should be should have been removed. Fox is loyal and that isn't a bad thing for a lockerroom....but when he has made an error on the depth chart he does in fact refuse to address it. Simply put, he won't address it. Fox has plan A established week 1....only injury will cause anything to change.

The point was that he wasn't the best option at the beginning of 2007. He became the best option as the year progressed and he got more playing time accordingly. I find it ridiculous that any one who even knows football at all would actually believe that a coach would play someone based on loyalty even though there were better players on the team. Pro football is a cut throat business and they all know it. Coaches play vets because they are generally more reliable and make fewer mistakes. But like in the case of Foster, when that changes, they quickly find themselves on the sidelines. And your logic on Foster, Godfrey and Colbert are off base. Colbert played because of injury and did well his rookie year. After that he never played well but who else did we have? We already discussed Foster. As for Godfrey, he was a rookie and we knew there would be growing pains and he surely hasn't played well. But he is still the best we have unfortunately.

And he absolutely will change things when necessary but he doesn't over react or make wholesale changes either. At this point he is loyal to those who deliver and if they don't he will not play them if he has other options. Again explain Munnerlyn playing over Wilson for example.

[Gman was right]

You are so locked in your own dogma you don't really listen to what any else is saying. Or you would know that I did say that we would be more aggressive and play better pass defense eventually but not right away. I predicted at the bye we would be 1-2 or 0-3. The only way we would win would be if the offense picks up the slack which they haven't. I had hoped it would be by now but in watching them against Dallas, I am surely concerned they stand around flat footed and fail to aggressively attack everyone who comes into their zone. And the safeties have been abysmal. Godfrey looks lost most of the time.

As for Smith, he was an all-pro as a returner in 2001 not as a receiver. Fox is totally responsible for developing him. All of his all-pro years as a receiver have been under Fox beginning in 2005, no one else. And he won the triple crown under Fox that year.. As for Moose, he didn't have an all-pro year until 2004. What is clear is that Fox and Jake made Smith, and allowed Moose to go from good to great.

Jake and Fox made smith? You have totally lost your mind!!!!! Smith made JAKE and Fox! Not the other way around. Smith would have been an all pro even if a shitty coach like Eric Mangini had taken over. Fox inherited two all pro receivers PERIOD! Moose was a pro bowler in 1999 and was an alternate in 2000. He was great before Fox ever stepped foot in carolina. Moose has had only one 1000 yard season under Fox. He went from being a #1 receiver to a #2 as soon as Fox arrived. He went from being great to second fiddle under Fox. Dont let the facts get in the way.

[Zod]

Jarrett is a bust because he is a USC receiver. Not at all his fault.

[SMACKDAB]

I wish I could get sucked and slurped as much as this organization does by certain people.

Awwwwww fvck it...yeah you 55.....YOU!

[panthers55]

Jake and Fox made smith? You have totally lost your mind!!!!! Smith made JAKE and Fox! Not the other way around. Smith would have been an all pro even if a shitty coach like Eric Mangini had taken over. Fox inherited two all pro receivers PERIOD! Moose was a pro bowler in 1999 and was an alternate in 2000. He was great before Fox ever stepped foot in carolina. Moose has had only one 1000 yard season under Fox. He went from being a #1 receiver to a #2 as soon as Fox arrived. He went from being great to second fiddle under Fox. Dont let the facts get in the way.

Smith's 2007 season proves that he is nothing without Jake. Look at this year, if Smith made Jake then he would have batted down a few of those potential interceptions instead of tip one and stand there at Atlanta and one during Philly. You can't say that Smith would be an all-pro. He is alot like Devin Hester. Both are converted returners. Is Hester an all-pro? Greatest at one position doesn't assure greatest at another.

Moose was a pro-bowler in 1999 but dropped off in 2000 and 2001. So his pro bowl appearance in 1999 had no bearing on 2004. JUst like Delhomme being an All-pro in 2005 has no bearing on his performance in 2009.

If you beyond quantity stats to quality stats you will see for example in 1999 he had 1253 yards for a 13.1 average. Then his production drops off to roughly 11.6 yards per reception in 2000 and 2001. He had over 100 catches in 2000 but really we had no one else. He gets injured in 2001 and things drop off dramatically. Then Fox gets here with his vertical passing attack and his yards per reception picks up to 13.1 followed by 2 years of 15 yards plus. His total catches dropped off somewhat as Smith is developed under Fox.

Moose goes to Chicago in 2005 and his production drops off to 11.7 and then recovers to 14.3, 14.2 and his receptions slowly fall because he is supposedly washed up. He comes to Carolina and has an excellent year with 65 catches (25 more than he had in Chicago in 2007) with almost 1000 yards and a yards per catch of 14.2. Coincidence? Not likely.

Obviously only one of us knows the facts and it isn't you.

[panthers55]

I wish I could get sucked and slurped as much as this organization does by certain people.

Awwwwww fvck it...yeah you 55.....YOU!

Wow. Another intelligent post. Show me where my facts are wrong. I just present as I see them to borrow one of your lines. Given you always mention slurping and sucking alot seems it is on your mind alot. I guess that is just how you roll.