All-22 Film: Reviewing Newton's 2016 Season Deep Throws

[Mr. Scot]

18 minutes ago, Montsta said:

Cam makes some beautiful throws. He also can make some awful throws.

It's not just his receivers that cause him to throw at ~50% completion over entire seasons.

I love Cam to death and I think this was a terrific and insightful post by OP, but I've watched every single snap of his career and he makes unbelievable plays, but sometimes bonehead plays too. 

But great job OP. 

Basically...

[Hoenheim]

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Basically...

CAM has 0 SB Wins  

[Hoenheim]

4 hours ago, Montsta said:

Cam makes some beautiful throws. He also can make some awful throws.

It's not just his receivers that cause him to throw at ~50% completion over entire seasons.

I love Cam to death and I think this was a terrific and insightful post by OP, but I've watched every single snap of his career and he makes unbelievable plays, but sometimes bonehead plays too. 

But great job OP. 

That's the best summary , cam makes some idiotic throws and sometimes throws way over people heads with minimal rush pressure

[Mr. Scot]

4 hours ago, Hoenheim said:

CAM has 0 SB Wins  

Granted, but I think he's capable.

Right up to the end of his career, Favre was still a mix of "how did he do that" and "what was he thinking". I suspect Cam will be too.

Quarterbacks like that can drive fans nuts - Lord knows Favre did - but as guys like he and Elway have shown, you can indeed win it all with that guy at the helm.

And personally, this type of quarterback is often more fun to watch than a robotic pass machine like Brady or Brees.

[Darvinsun]

On 5/26/2017 at 10:55 AM, falconidae said:

No, the argument for the article was that Cam was an accurate QB who got betrayed by the rest of his team. Cam is a really good QB, accuracy isn't his strong suit. He does things other QB can't do, he's never going to hit 70% of his passes on a consistent basis. And he doesn't have to to be incredibly effective-he was at less than 60% accurate in 2015, nobody was complaining about his play.

Kinsley is saying that Cam is accurate on deep passes, nothing about shorter ones. He also gave Ryan a higher grade on deep passes than Cam. Last 2 years, on the longest throws that a QB makes-41+ yards from scrimmage in air-Ryan has a better QB rating than Cam. Check out ESPN splits for both QBs.

Stand by my claim that the first gif in article about how accurate a QB is shouldn't be one where he almost overthrows an outlet pass. That's a throw QBs routinely make, whether or not there's pressure. Same with threading the needles and the rest-QBs like Brees & Brady do that routinely. 

Cam, by your own admission, does it sometimes, again, not his game.

"facts are he's an extremely accurate passer when he's accurate. "  What is he when he's not accurate?  You may mean that sarcastically, but you said this type of thing repeatedly through the article, it's an admission that as much as you'd like Cam to be reliably accurate, he just isn't.

What really gets me is there's no blame for Cam at all. No mention of sloppy mechanics, no bad decisions on his part-it's all somebody's else's fault- OL, WR, OC, HC. Yes, of course, all the other factors matter, but Cam isn't blameless. He loves waiting for the deep shot to open up-don't blame him, he's really good at the deep pass and it's just more fun to get a 40 yard completion. Sometimes though, you just need to drop it off to your back/TE and play another down.

Cam has the problem that many cannon armed QBs have. They never learned to throw a guy open. One of the reasons there's no separation is that Cam frequently  throws to where the receiver is, gives the DB a chance to make up ground.

Ryan throws to where the receiver will be, since he and the receiver know where that is, they have an advantage.

 

 

 

Barely 50% completion, less than 200 yards, 1 TD and 1 pick is not playing good, it's just not. And, I watched that game. Yes, there were extenuating circumstances, but it wasn't a "really good game"

And, my whole point is that "Cam be can inaccurate at times". Never said he wasn't a very good QB, in fact I said that he was/is. 

 

 

 

 

And, I appreciate being allowed to stay here. On many other team messageboards, I wouldn't be allowed to post.

Thanks Jeremy

Take into the circumstances that he was playing with in that game..The game should have been won because of Cam being Cam...We were up at halftime, but bc our OC went back to wanting to have Cam go back to what he did in the SB 7 steps back long sliw developing plays and yes not time to adjust at the line of scrimmage..still able to but his team in position to win..while our defense made Denvers QB look like a real Qb you looking at passing percentage which does not tell the whole story.. Of course his percent was low line and playcalling went to crap 2nd half and Ron left potential points on the board by being Ron....

 

[Darvinsun]

On 5/26/2017 at 10:55 AM, falconidae said:

No, the argument for the article was that Cam was an accurate QB who got betrayed by the rest of his team. Cam is a really good QB, accuracy isn't his strong suit. He does things other QB can't do, he's never going to hit 70% of his passes on a consistent basis. And he doesn't have to to be incredibly effective-he was at less than 60% accurate in 2015, nobody was complaining about his play.

Kinsley is saying that Cam is accurate on deep passes, nothing about shorter ones. He also gave Ryan a higher grade on deep passes than Cam. Last 2 years, on the longest throws that a QB makes-41+ yards from scrimmage in air-Ryan has a better QB rating than Cam. Check out ESPN splits for both QBs.

Stand by my claim that the first gif in article about how accurate a QB is shouldn't be one where he almost overthrows an outlet pass. That's a throw QBs routinely make, whether or not there's pressure. Same with threading the needles and the rest-QBs like Brees & Brady do that routinely. 

Cam, by your own admission, does it sometimes, again, not his game.

"facts are he's an extremely accurate passer when he's accurate. "  What is he when he's not accurate?  You may mean that sarcastically, but you said this type of thing repeatedly through the article, it's an admission that as much as you'd like Cam to be reliably accurate, he just isn't.

What really gets me is there's no blame for Cam at all. No mention of sloppy mechanics, no bad decisions on his part-it's all somebody's else's fault- OL, WR, OC, HC. Yes, of course, all the other factors matter, but Cam isn't blameless. He loves waiting for the deep shot to open up-don't blame him, he's really good at the deep pass and it's just more fun to get a 40 yard completion. Sometimes though, you just need to drop it off to your back/TE and play another down.

Cam has the problem that many cannon armed QBs have. They never learned to throw a guy open. One of the reasons there's no separation is that Cam frequently  throws to where the receiver is, gives the DB a chance to make up ground.

Ryan throws to where the receiver will be, since he and the receiver know where that is, they have an advantage.

 

 

 

Barely 50% completion, less than 200 yards, 1 TD and 1 pick is not playing good, it's just not. And, I watched that game. Yes, there were extenuating circumstances, but it wasn't a "really good game"

And, my whole point is that "Cam be can inaccurate at times". Never said he wasn't a very good QB, in fact I said that he was/is. 

 

 

 

 

And, I appreciate being allowed to stay here. On many other team messageboards, I wouldn't be allowed to post.

Thanks Jeremy

The only player that Cam throws open is  Olsen because he is the only one he trust...He will throw Ginn open on long bombs probably bc if its intercepted its like a punt...How can you throw a slow Wr open ? It begins with trust..you believe in the Wr abilities....We just don't have that kind of WR ....He trust Benji to win a jump ball but not that he will be in a spot when he needs to be...how many times did our receivers run the wrong routes or give up on a play?...You have to have playmakers we didn't  have one until potentially now..Lets see if he throws these guys open first before we assume he can't.

[falconidae]

15 hours ago, Darvinsun said:

The only player that Cam throws open is  Olsen because he is the only one he trust...He will throw Ginn open on long bombs probably bc if its intercepted its like a punt...How can you throw a slow Wr open ? It begins with trust..you believe in the Wr abilities....We just don't have that kind of WR ....He trust Benji to win a jump ball but not that he will be in a spot when he needs to be...how many times did our receivers run the wrong routes or give up on a play?...You have to have playmakers we didn't  have one until potentially now..Lets see if he throws these guys open first before we assume he can't.

Understand your point, but Anderson, with the same skill position players, same Oline and same OC, had a 68% completion rate last year. Easier throws are in the playbook, Cam either ignores them or they aren't called for him.

And, you throw open a slot WR by throwing to a spot he's going to be before he makes his break.

[John_BA]

How often do QBs have to deal with #1,2,& 3 WR turnover? I personally don't know, but I feel that it's been above average for Cam and the Panthers compared to the other NFL QBs. I believe that (offseason) injuries, a lockout, position turnover, and route running inconsistencies may contribute to Cam's ability to build rapport with his targets. That may also contribute to the "throwing a player open" thing to some degree. He has his own inconsistent-at-times mechanics that may affect things too. Although he's made some killer throws at times from ridiculous positions w/ poor mechanics. The fault can obviously be spread about the entire offense, but I feel that Cam doesn't contribute to that fault too much. He still does, but obviously not to the degree that the media, casual fans, or many rival fans determine. That's my personal take.

I feel like this thread has been pretty good at staying cool and trying to truly understand the QB that bears the name Cam.

Regardless, I just hope we can all agree that Cam is a very very good QB (in my own opinion: "Tier 1 Elite" and probable HOF).