All-22 Film: Reviewing Newton's 2016 Season Deep Throws

[Boxhead85]

Another solid post. Kudos @Saca312

[TheRed]

Weird that @falconidae created an account in 2011 but just couldn't be bothered to post here between 2013 and 2015. I wonder why that would be?

[Saca312]

@falconidae So you start off by fussing about Cam's accuracy on an outlet pass when you know full well Cam was about to get clobbered in less than a second by a Bronco defender. 

And threading the needle isn't an easy thing to do consistently. If throwing between 2 or 3 defenders centimeters away is supposed to be what average quarterbacks do, then I don't know what the NFL is anymore.

As far as when I say inconsistent, I meant that in a sarcastic tone. Essentially, I'm reaching out to an audience that says he's inconsistent and bad. I probably should change the wording at this point, but by no means is he inaccurate.

Once again, you seem to not understand the situation. If you do get that All-22, you'll likely be surprised at all of Cam's "inaccurate" throws. Most of them involve o-line acting like complete fools and WRs not getting separation at all.

The argument for this thread surrounds the fact Cam is a great all around QB with what tools he has. To be honest, it was a straight miracle he even got the passer rating he did with how bad the o-line and WRs are.

[TheRed]

The games I watched of the Falcons last year, rarely was Ryan forced to throw into tight windows. Most of the time he was just dumping off short passes, and throwing anywhere near Julio Jones who would make a sick catch.

The notion that any Falcons fan would come here jawing about accuracy is laughable.

[TNPanther]

6 hours ago, falconidae said:

Wow, lets see. WWI was the war to end all wars, that didn't happen any more than this is going to stop the Cam debates.

If you're making gifs about how accurate a passer Cam is, rushing and scrambling plays don't prove anything. Nether does a long list of rushing accomplishments. Not that both those things aren't impressive, it's just his rushing ability is unrelated to his passing ability and it was a really long post already.

So much of what is shown here is simply what any competent QB should do. Aside from some amazing deep passes, many of the gifs here show simple routine plays. Yes, other QBs stand in against the blitz, make the throw and take the hit. Yes, other QBs thread the needle or throw it over outstretched hands. Yes, other QBs stand in a collapsing pocket and make good throws. 

There's some serious cherry picking here. There are about 20 gifs of throw here, give me all-22 and i'll find 80-100 throws where he wasn't accurate. At all. Many before his shoulder injury. Cam's a good QB, accuracy just isn't his strongest attribute.

Denver game, first gif, Cam nearly overthrows Olson on an outlet pass, He has to lunge to catch the ball, not the best example of accuracy  to lead with.

Cam made a very nice play there, but throwing an outlet pass that causes the TE to almost lose his footing is not the way to convince me he's accurate.

And, no Cam did not have a "really good game." He was 18/33 for 194 yards, 1 TD and 1 pick, 69.5 QB rating. That is not a really good game. There were certainly extenuating circumstances, but that's not a really good game.

Whole article is filled with things  like that. "Cam looks better when he has time" Well, no poo.

or

"Sure, Cam Newton may be inconsistent at times, but when he's accurate, he's deadly." You cannot be Inconsistently accurate that's an oxymoron.  That's the writer of the article admitting that  Cam really isn't as accurate as the writer would like to claim.

 

 

 

[d-dave]

@Saca312, another fantastic post!  Great analysis.  While it's easy to cherry pick an entire NFL season into a few gifs for the good and bad of things, your's shows just how important moments can easily get lost in a lot of bad.

We were poo last year.  We just got killed in so many areas.  I'll call it completely snake bit.  Cam and other players had some great moments, but we had a lot of bad plays that ruined things for us.  Frankly, our team should have used last season as a palette clinser.  Get the taste of your own Kool-Aid out of your mouth and go back to kicking some butt.

You can also see how important developing the shorter passing game is going to be.  If we can get that and vary our offensive pace, it's going to help Cam considerably.

[shaqattaq]

Saca, this is your best thread yet, kudos.  As I went through, 3 things were glaringly obvious; none are surprises, but seeing it again and again in the clips made it stand out.

1. Cam is frikkin amazing. Seriously, who does that kind of crap?

2. Remmers was in waaaaaaay over his head at LT. I almost feel sorry for him.

3. Norwell is a damn beast. 

[UpstatePanther]

@falconidae

 

[ShutDwn]

Think of all the would be TDs that should be on this list. Cam is going to flourish with the diversity of weapons and the healthy OL. Someone just needs to be the guy that steps up and makes a play on his own. Greg and Stew are great but they're rarely going to flip field position in one play all on their own.

 

Cam absolutely balled in New Orleans and KB/Funchess did their best to fug it up. The jump ball he threw to KB in the endzone was perfect but KB sticks his foot out of bounds which was actually harder to do than just coming down. 

[Darvinsun]

8 hours ago, falconidae said:

Wow, lets see. WWI was the war to end all wars, that didn't happen any more than this is going to stop the Cam debates.

If you're making gifs about how accurate a passer Cam is, rushing and scrambling plays don't prove anything. Nether does a long list of rushing accomplishments. Not that both those things aren't impressive, it's just his rushing ability is unrelated to his passing ability and it was a really long post already.

So much of what is shown here is simply what any competent QB should do. Aside from some amazing deep passes, many of the gifs here show simple routine plays. Yes, other QBs stand in against the blitz, make the throw and take the hit. Yes, other QBs thread the needle or throw it over outstretched hands. Yes, other QBs stand in a collapsing pocket and make good throws. 

There's some serious cherry picking here. There are about 20 gifs of throw here, give me all-22 and i'll find 80-100 throws where he wasn't accurate. At all. Many before his shoulder injury. Cam's a good QB, accuracy just isn't his strongest attribute.

Denver game, first gif, Cam nearly overthrows Olson on an outlet pass, He has to lunge to catch the ball, not the best example of accuracy  to lead with.

Cam made a very nice play there, but throwing an outlet pass that causes the TE to almost lose his footing is not the way to convince me he's accurate.

And, no Cam did not have a "really good game." He was 18/33 for 194 yards, 1 TD and 1 pick, 69.5 QB rating. That is not a really good game. There were certainly extenuating circumstances, but that's not a really good game.

Whole article is filled with things  like that. "Cam looks better when he has time" Well, no poo.

or

"Sure, Cam Newton may be inconsistent at times, but when he's accurate, he's deadly." You cannot be Inconsistently accurate that's an oxymoron.  That's the writer of the article admitting that  Cam really isn't as accurate as the writer would like to claim.

 

 

 

Denver game Cam played good. You are looking just at stats.. that game should have been won...stays don't tell everything ... this is basically what the article is saying..that yes Cam can be inaccurate at times but aren't all qbs..Cam makes throws that no other qb does or even try or have to at times..which  alls for extreme accuracy..This is what this article is stating..that against all odds Cam continues to make shite look and smell good, but it is really a delusion our line , and receivers sucked before the injuries.

Cam is not perfect by no means, and the talent around him is subpar..That is why he was drafted number one and Cam has done 90% of his job the 10% is to win the SB.. We were a few plays away and a few calls..better talent around him and its done..a true threat outside of Olsen, and Cam. Stew was already hurt and hurt himself further by playing..No one was scared of butterfinger Ginn, superthin brown, and funkchess. ..a bunch of no names..Now lets see how Camdoes with his new toys!

[Ricky Spanish]

Great thread as always, my one "complaint" is that it was a bit too fluffy with the wording. I get you wanted to paint a picture with your words, but after a while it felt a bit too much, for me at least, but I'm only one person so don't let that one critique think that the other 99% of the breakdown was fantastic. 

I will say though, the inaccuracy with Cam did not start with the SD game, it started with the Saints rematch, I remember, I was there. If you look at the games leading up to that, his accuracy was roughly where it was the rest of his career, but that Saints game and onward his accuracy fell off a cliff going below 50% for the rest of the season. I'm wondering if he didn't get injured against the Chiefs or the Saints game rather than the SD game. 

[Ball4life]

8 hours ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

shut up

cam plays in what is likely the least qb friendly system in the league and won an mvp with ted fugin ginn as his #1 wide receiver. meanwhile matt ryan poo his pants and blew a 25 point lead in the super bowl while operating in an extremely qb friendly kyle shanahan offense and throwing to a generational talent at wr. crawl back into your hole, dork.

Yeah Matt Ryan blew the 25 point by himself. Its funny when Cam plays bad...its everybody but Cams fault. 

[Saca312]

2 hours ago, Ball4life said:

Yeah Matt Ryan blew the 25 point by himself. Its funny when Cam plays bad...its everybody but Cams fault. 

Let's see where it all went downhill in a nice little analysis of one key play.

In the following GIF, Brandon Flowers of the Patriots murdered Matt Ryan in what would be a critical play of the Superbowl. Matt Ryan would step back further than normal and hold the ball longer than normal, indicating he was hoping for a deep pass instead of a safe play.

Believe it or not, he had enough time to make a quick progression and understand he would be facing a blitz. He had an outlet receiver wide open for the most part.

Unfortunately, Matt Ryan didn't look Freeman's way. Shanahan had a safe option ready to fire, but Matt Ryan botched it. A short dump off to Freeman would've gained a safe 1-2 yards or more, but Matt Ryan did not go his way. Right at this point the ball should've been in the air going right in Freeman's hands.

Thus, the result was a sack. Shanahan didn't call a run play, but he didn't leave Ryan without a guaranteed sure safe play. 

This is where Matt Ryan deserves more blame than not. Shanahan got a lot of heat for the playcall, but Matt Ryan didn't go for the safe play. Shanahan tried to give Ryan an opportunity for a possible big play WITH a safe option in store. Matt Ryan didn't go for his safe option, and the rest is history.

[Hogmolliesmaht]

Cam can obviously make some fantastic throws and does great things with his feet, but it's not unreasonable to ask for just a little bit more consistency. He can put up a 65% completion average for the rest of his career if he just takes what the defense gives him more often instead of going 30yds downfield on 2nd and 5. That's all I'm asking for. We have the playmakers now so he shouldn't have to take as many chances.