What will Jake have to do...

[R0CKnR0LLA]

What's with you morons bringing up last years garbage? Do you bring up Flacco's monumental failure last year when you talk about how he's doing this year? If Jake beasted at the end of last year would you bring that up to balance out what he's doing this year? Yeah, he sucked in game 1... what's this "last 4 games" crap? You guys just seem like biased "im out to get him" morons, not that I expected anything less than most of you.............HEY ENJOY IGNORE

[Jaxel]

Russel is aweful.. i've never seen a more innacurate QB in my life.

[Sam Mills Fan]

Fine, let's not even include the Arizona game. So far this season, Jake has thrown 2 TDs, 7 interceptions, and has fumbled twice. 2 touchdowns to 9 turnovers. That is STILL the WORST in the league. Our turnover differential is -8 in 2009, last in the league.

I would rather have any of the 31 non-Jake Delhomme starting quarterbacks in the league than Jake. Even JaMarcus Russell and Brady Quinn still have the chance to turn things around.

[R0CKnR0LLA]

Anyone that wants JaMarcus Russell as their QB is literally the stupidest person I've ever met.

[panthers55]

Im sorry, know this is not where the post was directed but under the same assumptions they must also know the guy has a noodle. All of the above mentioned passes except for the slant were under thrown, you can add the streak to smith, two streaks to moose in philly game with those. Think you maybe giving the staff more credit than they deserve. When the actual truth is the staff knows there is nothing better to offer, on the current roster.

Jake is not getting benched. Many of these games come from him each year. He had four last year, lets just pray he is getting his four out of the way early this year and will make a long run of servicableness............... to finish the year.

Underthrown in your opinion is where many quarterbacks intentionally throw that pass. In the case of Moose, defensive help was coming deep from the middle. That pass is most often intentionally thrown behind the receiver who is supposed to drive the defender a little deeper and use his body to shield the defender off the ball and come back for it. Moose didn't do his job and pulled up and misjudged the ball.

As for slant it was clearly Smith's fault. THe pick against Atlanta was thrown where Smith could fight for it but he didn't come back for it as he should. Besides it was 4th down and it was going over on downs anyway.

So outside of the Philly game in which we all ackowledged he sucked (even he agreed), the other 3 Ints were hardly a big issue or even his fault.

Blame him all you wish but the last 2 games he has played pretty well and has gotten little to no help from his receivers. That is why he is still starting and will continue to start.

[Guild]

Jake will not be benched unless Fox feels like the game is already out of reach.

[err456]

Coaches see what none of us do because they have game film and know what was supposed to happen as well as what did happen.. For example they know on the second interception it was Smitty who caused it not Jake. They see that Moose allowed the first one by not contesting the pass. They also see that Jake threw a touchdown that was called back due to questionable offensive pass interference on Moose. So the tally they keep for this pass game is that Jake threw 2 TDs and no interceptions which were his fault. They have game film and know what was called and who should have done what rather than what we have which is merely television coverage of what happened.

So they see that he has improved significantly since the Eagles game. And that is why they have faith in him to lead the team. What we think we see is totally irrelevant at this point.

So what will it take to bench him? A meltdown like against the Eagles which is highly unlikely.

Not a Jake fan here but good post. He still is the best option we have.

[cptx]

wait a sec... so now it's ok to blame the receivers for jakes failure? i remember people getting thrashed for giving them credit for his so called success over the years. funny how now that they are having trouble bailing his retarded ass out that they get all the blame.

[Sam Mills Fan]

Panthers55, to elaborate on what I was saying earlier, it's stupid to imagine that Jake REALLY had 2 touchdowns and no picks. Why? Because so many things are open to interpretation as to how they COULD have happened.

Let's take that Moose TD that was called back for interference. You just made that crap up about it being questionable. Why? Because stupid ESPN never showed the replay. Unless you TiVo'd the game, you would have no idea whether it was a bad call or not. I personally didn't TiVo it, but I'm pretty sure that Moose or someone else would have complained about it. Yet did any Panther player or coach, including the quarterback of that pass or the receiver complain about it or mention it at all in any post-game interview? No. So your homerism is shining through there.

Then blaming Moose for the first pick is ridiculous. He only had a very small role to play in that pass being intercepted. You're blaming his 5% of responsibility while excusing Jake's 95%.

And this doesn't even take into account the many wild passes Jake threw that could have been easily intercepted if a Dallas defender had been turned around facing the ball or in slightly better position. By your logic, we should count those as REAL interceptions against Jake. So, by your logic again, Jake probably had 1 TD and 6 or 7 REAL interceptions because the passes were poorly thrown and could have been picked off. Now do you see how faulty this logic is? You can talk all day about "what if"s but the stats have to stand for themselves. So Jake's real stat line was 1 TD, 2 picks, 1 fumble. That's not a good day. A quarterback with that stat line that finishes with 7 points on the board for the offense and a second-half that consisted of four straight 3-and-outs, a pick, and then a fumble to end the game did NOT have a good night. He had a bad night.

[capt. clay]

cry, bitch, an whine.....oh yeh, and point fingers...............there aint no easy way out of this, theyve all got to work together to turn this thing around.

[Fireball77]

Underthrown in your opinion is where many quarterbacks intentionally throw that pass. In the case of Moose, defensive help was coming deep from the middle. That pass is most often intentionally thrown behind the receiver who is supposed to drive the defender a little deeper and use his body to shield the defender off the ball and come back for it. Moose didn't do his job and pulled up and misjudged the ball.

Maybe I'm not remembering right, but isn't that exact type of pass pretty much how those two got a bunch of TDs in 2004?

[ckad79]

To be benched next week.

I'm not a Jake hater, and I hope he turns this around, but realistically it hasn't gotten any better since game one.

2 TD's 7 INT's 2 Fumbles, through 3 games would have any other QB in the league benched besides possibly Brady, Manning, and Rothlesburger (sp).

So in your opinion, what against the redskins will get Jake benched?

Problem is, we have nobody worthy of playing QB behind Jake. Jake is Pabst Blue Ribbon and we have Mad Dog & Milwaukee's Best waiting for their shot! At the end of the day, nobody what you stuck down, you're just going to barf right back up!

If Jake does get 2 interceptions and Fox pulls him... the team will bring in another guy to shut up the fans that are boooooing!! BUT you better hope that either Moore or Freely show signs of improvement. If they aren't, it's right back to the rest of the crap we have to pick from.

Still, it will take a lot to bench Jake because it forces the organization to admit to an even bigger problem... that they screwed up this off-season. BIG TIME!! Keeping Peppers for 1 year, a mistake. Then you resign an aging QB... Then you trade away your first round pick next year! Ouch!

Fact is, if you scratch this year as a rebuilding year and sit Jake, it's a loose-loose situation in so many ways. You somehow find a way to win and just barely make the playoffs, Fox stays. You suck and win four games this year, you get no 1st round pick, Peppers gets $16 million, and your whole franchise just looks stupid.

They can't throw away this "vision" of theirs. haha If we did, we'd have to look like the dumbest front office in sports and nobody will question why Jerry's sons walked out before the first game, not wanting to experience this tidal-wave of crap to come!

[Fireball77]

JR basically canned Mark from what it sounds like. Since the guy is gutsy enough to get rid of one of his own children because he felt it was better for the organization, I think he will make changes if he feels it is necessary.

[panthers55]

Maybe I'm not remembering right, but isn't that exact type of pass pretty much how those two got a bunch of TDs in 2004?

No, you are right like usual. Throwing it slightly behind Smith tp the outside shoulder has been a winning formula for years. Detractors could make a valid argument by saying that Jake left it too inside and towards the middle on the interception pass to Moose. It could have been better, but Moose did little to adjust during the run to be in better position to catch the ball. It isn't anyone's fault as much as a collective failure to make a big play rather than giving one up. I am sure you know what I mean. It really takes both guys to be on the same page and both perform well in order to be successful. It seems that a mistake on either or both parts just creates another turnover which we can ill afford. Particularly when the defense struggles to muster any of their own.

The results are frustrating to watch!