Game of Thrones Season 7

[Zaximus]

On 8/8/2017 at 6:40 PM, xlatinox said:

One thing I'm confused about last episode is the cave paintings. It showed that the first men and the children fought the white walkers together in the past, so why last season *or was it two?*  did it show the children create the white walkers to fight back men because men were hunting them? Did it go from men hunting children to children creating the WW to fight man to children and man fighting the WW?

The first men were Children's enemies at first, so the Children created WW to fight them off.   I believe WW became something uncontrollable and the Children and Men formed a truce and created the wall.   First men even took on the Children's religion.

This is what we know.   However, history is written by the victors and I feel things aren't completely "true" on what we've been told when it comes to the WW and everything.

[Bronn]

18 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

I don't think Littlefinger is responsible for Bran's attempted murder.  Not sure the show will ever tell us,  but I think it's been mentioned that it was Joffrey that put that together.

In the books (can't recall it on the show right now) both Tyrion and Jaime deduce that it was Joffrey, based on circumstantial evidence.

I kinda like this theory, which paints one Mance Rayder as the culprit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/1uvltu/spoilers_all_who_really_sent_the_catspaw/

[Bronn]

The connection with Littlefinger and the dagger is that he stated it once belonged to him and was lost in a bet with Tyrion.

Sure, he could have lost it on purpose and sent the catspaw assassin to take it from Tyrion, or Robert's armory or whatever, but he was in King's Landing during the assassination attempt. It'd be awfully hard for him to hire a random dude remotely, get him the dagger, and not have someone else notice.

That said, I don't think it is impossible that Littlefinger was involved. Even if passive aggressively, he's always playing the game.

[thefuzz]

8 minutes ago, Bronn said:

In the books (can't recall it on the show right now) both Tyrion and Jaime deduce that it was Joffrey, based on circumstantial evidence.

I kinda like this theory, which paints one Mance Rayder as the culprit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/1uvltu/spoilers_all_who_really_sent_the_catspaw/

Yea, they figure it out in the books, as far as they can guess.  So far it hasn't been mentioned in the show.

[thefuzz]

6 minutes ago, Bronn said:

The connection with Littlefinger and the dagger is that he stated it once belonged to him and was lost in a bet with Tyrion.

Sure, he could have lost it on purpose and sent the catspaw assassin to take it from Tyrion, or Robert's armory or whatever, but he was in King's Landing during the assassination attempt. It'd be awfully hard for him to hire a random dude remotely, get him the dagger, and not have someone else notice.

That said, I don't think it is impossible that Littlefinger was involved. Even if passive aggressively, he's always playing the game.

I thought I read somewhere that it's possible that Joff got so upset with Tyrian slapping him for not apologizing to the Starks, that he may, in a fit of rage, decided to raid his fathers weapons store, and contract a random to kill Bran.

Who knows, and we may never figure it out....although it's one of the main reasons all of this started in the first place.

[Bronn]

20 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

I thought I read somewhere that it's possible that Joff got so upset with Tyrian slapping him for not apologizing to the Starks, that he may, in a fit of rage, decided to raid his fathers weapons store, and contract a random to kill Bran.

Who knows, and we may never figure it out....although it's one of the main reasons all of this started in the first place.

I just looked a little more and realized that the dagger did indeed belong to Robert, who won it off Littlefinger at a tourney.

Supposedly, the theory is that Joffrey wanted to impress Robert after hearing Robert say to someone that "someone ought to kill that child to put him out of his misery" after hearing of Bran's paralyzing fall. So, Joffrey went to the weapons cache, snagged the dagger, and hired the catspaw assassin.

Littlefinger then had the gumption to snag the dagger for himself again before leaving King's Landing for the Vale.

I assume he wanted to use it just like he has on the show, as a present for the Starks, should the need present itself. "Oh look, I got you the dagger that some guy tried to kill your kid with." But, he was obviously underestimating Bran's abilities once he became the 3EC and the Starks' in general not being impressed with it.

Some people think that Bran went back and whispered/coerced Jaime to push him out of the window, knowing that it would be the catalyst behind almost all the major events that have ultimately brought Jon and Dany together, and dragons to the table in the coming battle. Of similar thought, Bran himself could have whispered to the catspaw, told him where to get his payment and the dagger, and sent him to kill himself because it furthered the future agenda.

Of course, this all leads to the "Bran is a time traveling puppeteer" type of theory, and that he's (or the 3EC of old) influenced everything in the known world from the beginning.

[thefuzz]

4 minutes ago, Bronn said:

I just looked a little more and realized that the dagger did indeed belong to Robert, who won it off Littlefinger at a tourney.

Supposedly, the theory is that Joffrey wanted to impress Robert after hearing Robert say to someone that "someone ought to kill that child to put him out of his misery" after hearing of Bran's paralyzing fall. So, Joffrey went to the weapons cache, snagged the dagger, and hired the catspaw assassin.

Littlefinger then had the gumption to snag the dagger for himself again before leaving King's Landing for the Vale.

I assume he wanted to use it just like he has on the show, as a present for the Starks, should the need present itself. "Oh look, I got you the dagger that some guy tried to kill your kid with." But, he was obviously underestimating Bran's abilities once he became the 3EC and the Starks' in general not being impressed with it.

Some people think that Bran went back and whispered/coerced Jaime to push him out of the window, knowing that it would be the catalyst behind almost all the major events that have ultimately brought Jon and Dany together, and dragons to the table in the coming battle.

Joffrey makes the most sense to me here....just seemed short sighted and stupid....kinda like Joffrey.

 

That last paragraph is somewhat hard to believe, and at the same times makes some sense.

[Jimmy]

The Horn of Winter

According to Tormund, Mance never found the real Horn of Winter and the one that Melisandre burned  wasn't the actual one (it was simply some giant's big 'ol horn).  The Horn of Winter was always a fascination to me and a little disappointed that they kind of just let it hang out there with no real resolution (in the books or the show). I would like to see what would happen if it was found and blown...would the wall come down?  Where is the damn thing?

Correct me if I'm mis-remembering because if there was a resolution to it I don't remember.

[Cary Kollins]

Bran is basically an X-men member at this point. Professor X on steroids.

[thefuzz]

For those who have read all the books....just how powerful are Brans memories?  Can he see pretty much everything anywhere, or was he focusing on those that he knows/cares about like his family, Littlefinger, etc.?

 

I'm just trying to think through the power players left out there.

[Porn Shop Clerk]

Bran's abilities have been fleshed out better on the show than in the books at this point.

[Bronn]

1 hour ago, Porn Shop Clerk said:

Bran's abilities have been fleshed out better on the show than in the books at this point.

This...

I'd have to go back and look, but the only hint at what he can do at the books comes in the forms of his green dreams and I think I recall one instance where he was creeping out Theon IIRC by whispering to him via the wind and leaves.

 

[Bronn]

just looked for what I was referencing...

 

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“Theon,” a voice seemed to whisper. His head snapped up. “Who said that?” All he could see were the trees and the fog that covered them. The voice had been as faint as rustling leaves, as cold as hate. A god’s voice, or a ghost’s. How many died the day that he took Winterfell? How many more the day he lost it? The day that Theon Greyjoy died, to be reborn as Reek. Reek, Reek, it rhymes with shriek." - ADWD, The Prince of Winterfell

 

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The night was windless, the snow drifting straight down out of a cold black sky, yet the leaves of the heart tree were rustling his name. “Theon,” they seemed to whisper, “Theon.” The old gods, he thought. They know me. They know my name. I was Theon of House Greyjoy. I was a ward of Eddard Stark, a friend and brother to his children. “Please.” He fell to his knees. “A sword, that’s all I ask. Let me die as Theon, not as Reek.” - ADWD, A Ghost in Winterfell

 

[Bronn]

"This is the gangsta right here. Bronn is the gangsta, yo. Bronn is the dude that, like, in the hood that knows where all the $1 cigarettes is"

I feel like I watch most of the shows with similar excitement.