Diet advice

[lightsout]

So, since the intermittent fasting thread has become the defense of what a calorie is by every scientific measure we know of, let's hear this thread out.

I'm currently doing a small version of IF to try to get my eating habits under control. I work third shift, so I go to bed at around 6 AM and wake up between 12-2 PM. I eat between 2 PM and 10 PM, and drink water only in the time between 10PM and 6 AM. If I HAVE to eat, I try to go for fruits (ex: A banana, an apple, a handful of grapes or berries, etc). I'm trying to kick soda. Down to 1 per day, max. Quitting dip as of tomorrow (Saturday, May 20). Going to Playa del Carmen for a week starting Sunday, where I plan to let the relaxation of Mexico and the heat beat out the nicotine withdrawals. Trying to go as healthy as possible. 

Unfortunately, I have food attachments. Love pizza, burgers, hot dogs, Mexican food, chicken. Just meat in general. So, what are some tips for going as healthy as possible in every day eating?

[Jackofalltrades]

Stay away from fruits as they're high in sugar. I love fruit but I avoid it, only occasionally indulging in strawberries. Eat eggs and bacon, cooked in real butter. I've started mixing mushrooms and spinach in my eggs for the nutrients. If you eat fruit in the morning you're starting your day with an insulin spike and you're going to have more and more intense cravings. Something fatty will hold you over longer and won't has as a dramatic effect on your insulin. 

You're implementing the 18:6 model which is very beneficial and I applaud your efforts. I combine IF with the Ketogenic diet and I never imagined it would be this easy or effective. I would suggest changing the time lengths of your fasts every couple of weeks. 

I'm fully fat adapted now so even when I fast for 3-4 days I have minimal hunger and cravings and feel great throughout the fast. 

[Jeremy Igo]

Avoid any diet that says stay away from fruit, for one. Fruit, especially berries, are among the healthiest foods we could ever possibly eat. The sugar in an apple, for example, is wrapped in a soluble fiber called pectin. This prevents insulin spikes that you would get from a donut. Plus, pectin goes throughout your system collecting cholesterol and helping your body get rid of it. 

Honest question for OP... Are you interested in a vanity diet that only gets weight off at the risk of health issues or a diet that also gets weight off but he only positive side effects?

The low carb high animal protein diets will get your weight off, but it comes with associated health risks like arteriosclerosis , prostate, liver, and colon cancers. We are 4 times more likely to get colon cancer than our parents thanks to the low carb trend of the past two decades. Yikes.

But from the sounds of your first post you want to still eat junk food and lose weight. If that is the case, just eat 1800 calories of junk food a day and the weight will drop. No exercise needed. Most men can lose 1-2 pounds a week that way.

 

[Squirrel]

31 minutes ago, Jackofalltrades said:

Stay away from fruits as they're high in sugar. I love fruit but I avoid it, only occasionally indulging in strawberries. Eat eggs and bacon, cooked in real butter. I've started mixing mushrooms and spinach in my eggs for the nutrients. If you eat fruit in the morning you're starting your day with an insulin spike and you're going to have more and more intense cravings. Something fatty will hold you over longer and won't has as a dramatic effect on your insulin. 

You're implementing the 18:6 model which is very beneficial and I applaud your efforts. I combine IF with the Ketogenic diet and I never imagined it would be this easy or effective. I would suggest changing the time lengths of your fasts every couple of weeks. 

I'm fully fat adapted now so even when I fast for 3-4 days I have minimal hunger and cravings and feel great throughout the fast. 

Can't tell if serious.  Not to rag  on you. But really a diet with bacon eggs and butter.  Might lose the weight but your heart is going to hate you.  

[Jeremy Igo]

9 minutes ago, Squirrel said:

Can't tell if serious.  Not to eat on you. But really a diet with bacon eggs and butter.  Might lose the weight but your heart is going to hate you.  

He is serious. I have done it his way and it does get the weight off. The first time I tried it was back in 1998. I did it off and on for the following years whenever I needed to lose some pounds. 

I can tell you now that I will never do it again. I wish that 2017 me got a hold of 1998 me and knocked some sense into him just before giving him lottery numbers. 

[Jackofalltrades]

47 minutes ago, Squirrel said:

Can't tell if serious.  Not to rag  on you. But really a diet with bacon eggs and butter.  Might lose the weight but your heart is going to hate you.  

Except I just had all my labs pulled and everything has improved. Fat doesn't make you fat and it's not bad for your heart. We've been force fed bad info for decades. 

[Jeremy Igo]

Just now, Jackofalltrades said:

Except I just had all my labs pulled and everything has improved. Fat doesn't make you fat and it's not bad for your heart. We've been force fed bad info for decades. 

Go get your labs done after an egg and bacon breakfast and not after a fast.

It will shock you.

[Jackofalltrades]

3 minutes ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Go get your labs done after an egg and bacon breakfast and not after a fast.

It will shock you.

Ok, on July 12th when I do my physical I'll do that. What do you think will happen?

[Jeremy Igo]

1 minute ago, Jackofalltrades said:

Ok, on July 12th when I do my physical I'll do that. What do you think will happen?

High cholestoerol, triglycerides. If you could have them do an an angiogram you would see your arteries are tightening. 

This has all been proven dozens of times over the past decades through controlled random double blind studies. It has tried to have been debunked time and time again, mainly from meat and dairy industry studies. For example, the egg industry sponsored a study that said eggs don't raise blood cholesterol.  However, they designed the study around a 12 hour fast once the added cholesterol had already left. Very sneaky and dishonest. However, if they actually told the truth they would lose a ton of money.

[Jackofalltrades]

Just now, Jeremy Igo said:

High cholestoerol, triglycerides. If you could have them do an an angiogram you would see your arteries are tightening. 

This has all been proven dozens of times over the past decades through controlled random double blind studies. It has tried to have been debunked time and time again, mainly from meat and dairy industry studies. For example, the egg industry sponsored a study that said eggs don't raise blood cholesterol.  However, they designed the study around a 12 hour fast once the added cholesterol had already left. Very sneaky and dishonest. However, if they actually told the truth they would lose a ton of money.

I'll do any kind of test, but my recent EKG was completely normal and this diet has completely reversed several disease processes. I'm not even anemic any more and for he first time in 15 years I'm prescription free. 

Big pharma wants us to think we need them, diet has shown me otherwise. Again, watch Fat Head by Tom Naughton. He ate nothing but fast food for 28 days and improved his health. It was an answer to Morgan Spurlock's bullshit documentary Supersize Me. 

If you really want to learn something read The Obesity Code or Keto Clarity, or Cholesterol Clarity. 

[Jeremy Igo]

1 minute ago, Jackofalltrades said:

I'll do any kind of test, but my recent EKG was completely normal and this diet has completely reversed several disease processes. I'm not even anemic any more and for he first time in 15 years I'm prescription free. 

Big pharma wants us to think we need them, diet has shown me otherwise. Again, watch Fat Head by Tom Naughton. He ate nothing but fast food for 28 days and improved his health. It was an answer to Morgan Spurlock's bullshit documentary Supersize Me. 

If you really want to learn something read The Obesity Code or Keto Clarity, or Cholesterol Clarity. 

You lost weight from dramatically cutting your calories. Your weight loss was responsible for improving your health. That's the real story. The simple story that has proven true for a century

The way you are eating now is better than how you were, mainly because you cut processed foods. So that's good. It is better than the standard American diet.

I've done it, and it works to a certain extent.

I can tell you with 100% certainty that if you did what I am doing now, you won't go back. I'm not only the lightest I have been since highschool, I am running faster, longer. Lifting more. And recovering quicker than any protein based diet I ever did. I haven't lost weight, I have lost a decade off how I feel.

 

[Jackofalltrades]

33 minutes ago, Jeremy Igo said:

You lost weight from dramatically cutting your calories. Your weight loss was responsible for improving your health. That's the real story. The simple story that has proven true for a century

The way you are eating now is better than how you were, mainly because you cut processed foods. So that's good. It is better than the standard American diet.

I've done it, and it works to a certain extent.

I can tell you with 100% certainty that if you did what I am doing now, you won't go back. I'm not only the lightest I have been since highschool, I am running faster, longer. Lifting more. And recovering quicker than any protein based diet I ever did. I haven't lost weight, I have lost a decade off how I feel.

 

All the same applies to me, minus running. I still adamantly disagree on the calorie issue. I eat real food, as you said, which is a staple of the Ketogenic diet. My macronutrient content is 80% dietary fat, 15% protein and 5% carbs. I made my very skeptical doctor, who warned against this diet, a believer. She saw me Monday and said she would reserve judgement until my labs came back. Instead of the usual call from the CNA, she called me personally and said she needed to adjust her thinking. She said she would immediately start researching my sources. Dr. Marc Westman run an obesity clinic at Duke where Keto is the diet they us, Dr. Jason Fun does the same as a renowned nephrologist. There are many more. Fat is not the problem, cholesterol is not the problem. Refined and industrialized foods are what's killing us.

Now if you eat a diet high in fat AND in carbs then that's a recipe for disaster. However, if you cut out the inflammatory carbs then the fats are beneficial. 

[lightsout]

4 hours ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Avoid any diet that says stay away from fruit, for one. Fruit, especially berries, are among the healthiest foods we could ever possibly eat. The sugar in an apple, for example, is wrapped in a soluble fiber called pectin. This prevents insulin spikes that you would get from a donut. Plus, pectin goes throughout your system collecting cholesterol and helping your body get rid of it. 

Honest question for OP... Are you interested in a vanity diet that only gets weight off at the risk of health issues or a diet that also gets weight off but he only positive side effects?

The low carb high animal protein diets will get your weight off, but it comes with associated health risks like arteriosclerosis , prostate, liver, and colon cancers. We are 4 times more likely to get colon cancer than our parents thanks to the low carb trend of the past two decades. Yikes.

But from the sounds of your first post you want to still eat junk food and lose weight. If that is the case, just eat 1800 calories of junk food a day and the weight will drop. No exercise needed. Most men can lose 1-2 pounds a week that way.

 

 

 

Not trying to maintain eating junk in this process. Simply stated my food attachments. I'm well aware that one can't want to get healthy and eat Domino's, cook out, and Mexican every week. Hence the cry for help.

[Paa Langfart]

3 hours ago, Jackofalltrades said:

He ate nothing but fast food for 28 days and improved his health.

If you want to believe that go ahead.  The salt content alone would probably give me and thousands of people a stroke.