ESPN has 10 QB's above Cam for this season.

[TheRed]

2 hours ago, Bytes said:

Its not just completion %, It's TD/INT % as well. 

Oh and to clarify, Newton had one more INT through 15 games last year than he did in 2015 when he was MVP. The other three came in the final game against Tampa when it was clear we were just throwing poo at the wall offensively.

So maybe you should actually look at some data before posting.

[Bytes]

4 hours ago, TheRed said:

Oh and to clarify, Newton had one more INT through 15 games last year than he did in 2015 when he was MVP. The other three came in the final game against Tampa when it was clear we were just throwing poo at the wall offensively.

So maybe you should actually look at some data before posting.

Ummmmm..... your bait and switch doesn't work with me. First you didnt answer my question:

Name ONE bad QB with more than 16 starts with a completion % over 65? You can't.

 

Secondly it's widely acknowledged that if you 2:1 TD/INT ration is considered good. What is Cam's:? 

 

[TheRed]

1 minute ago, Bytes said:

Ummmmm..... your bait and switch doesn't work with me. First you didnt answer my question:

Name ONE bad QB with more than 16 starts with a completion % over 65? You can't.

 

Secondly it's widely acknowledged that if you 2:1 TD/INT ration is considered good. What is Cam's:? 

 

Bad was too broad of a term, let's say merely average as far as playoff success. Check yourself if you're that desperate. There are plenty of QB's in the NFL that could dink and dunk all day padding their completion percentage but could never take their team to a Super Bowl accompanied by an MVP.

You remove the 3 from the final game last year where we were slinging the ball with reckless abandon in a meaningless game after being eliminated from playoff contention, that is 24 total touchdowns to 11 interceptions on the year. He threw 10 INT's in 2015. He hasn't thrown more than 15 INT's since he was a rookie, and even that was 17. You're statement about his TD/INT ratio made it sound like he throws 20+ INT's a year. Just acknowledge you misspoke, and move on.

[juliosantos]

i dont get it why luck ? 

[joeyxfresco]

TBH #11 is pretty generous if your only basing it off last year considering the offensive poo show 

[Khyber53]

All that matters really is where he's ranked at the end of this season.

 

[yasuhara2241]

I figure I would bury my Cam thoughts in this thread instead of creating a new one. @Saca312 @KB_fan Copying you both bc I know ya'll like stats! :) 

1. For Cam's first 6 seasons, there has been NO other QB in the league that has been used like him. Cam is involved in almost every offensive play whether its passing or high usage of the read option. Yes, we run a lot but a lot of times it revolved around Cam.

Cam averages 114 rushes per season over the past 6 years. As comparison, J-Stew our RB avg 153 rushes per season (even though 2 seasons he had injury issues). Combine that with about 500 passes per season. We are talking about 653 plays per season for Cam! Now imagine running and getting hit and then asked to throw a deep throw off a 5-7 step drop! Of course his completion percentage would be lower than other QBs. 

2. Cam's WR group. 2016 - KB(63 catches), 2015 - Ginn (44 catches), 2014 - KB (73), 2013 - Smitty (64), 2012 - Smitty (73), 2011 - Smitty (79). Now don't even look who was the starting 2nd WR. We are talking about Legadu Nanee, Brandon Lafell and Cotchery. 

3. I keep hearing from talking heads that Cam isn't going to be able to build chemistry with CMC and Samuels due to his injury. I hate this excuse. We all need to remember Cam's rookie season. It was a lock out year. No OTA's and what did Cam do? Only break a ton of rookie passing records. 21 passing TDs / 14 rushing TDs. 

4. Drafting Cam help 2011-2015. 2011 (Pilares WR 5th round), 2012 (Amini G 2nd round, Joe Adams WR 4th round), 2013 (Kug 4th, Barner RB 6th round), 2014 (KB 1st, Trai 3rd, Gaffney 6th), 2015 (Funchess 2nd, CAP 5th). So for 5 years, we have drafted 10 offensive players total. Only 4 before round 4!! At the same time, we have drafted 10 defensive players before the 4th round. 

Just some of my Cam thoughts. I am tired of this beating that I hear from fans and media about our QB. We are fortunate to have him. He has carried our offense for years. It's about time we got him some help. 

[KB_fan]

2 hours ago, yasuhara2241 said:

3. I keep hearing from talking heads that Cam isn't going to be able to build chemistry with CMC and Samuels due to his injury. I hate this excuse. We all need to remember Cam's rookie season. It was a lock out year. No OTA's

Great point!  I'd forgotten all about this. 

[Bytes]

16 hours ago, TheRed said:

Bad was too broad of a term, let's say merely average as far as playoff success. Check yourself if you're that desperate. There are plenty of QB's in the NFL that could dink and dunk all day padding their completion percentage but could never take their team to a Super Bowl accompanied by an MVP.

You remove the 3 from the final game last year where we were slinging the ball with reckless abandon in a meaningless game after being eliminated from playoff contention, that is 24 total touchdowns to 11 interceptions on the year. He threw 10 INT's in 2015. He hasn't thrown more than 15 INT's since he was a rookie, and even that was 17. You're statement about his TD/INT ratio made it sound like he throws 20+ INT's a year. Just acknowledge you misspoke, and move on.

No. You made the statements. Apparantly you just pulled it out your butt. Cam's CAREER completion percentage and TD/INT ratio sucks. Those are facts. No matter how you slice it. 

Cam is the best duel threat QB of all time ALREADY!. But he is an average passer at best. And as he gets older he WILL need to get better as a passer to be successful. I really hope he does. 

[TheRed]

1 minute ago, Bytes said:

No. You made the statements. Apparantly you just pulled it out your butt. Cam's CAREER completion percentage and TD/INT ratio sucks. Those are facts. No matter how you slice it. 

Cam is the best duel threat QB of all time ALREADY!. But he is an average passer at best. And as he gets older he WILL need to get better as a passer to be successful. I really hope he does. 

You are the one who made the requirement 65+ completion percentage.

I'm not going to spell it out for you anymore. If you think completion percentage is the end all be all, you should just bow out of the discussion. There are so many factors at play, not to even mention the fact that throughout Newton's time here he has been just about the entirety of our offense. You can't have him carry the load passing and running, and then evaluate his statistics in a vacuum based on completion percentage.

What are you even talking about? His career passing touchdowns to interceptions ratio is 136 to 78 and when you add in rushing touchdowns it's 184 total touchdowns to 78 interceptions.

Again, if you are going to evaluate him, evaluate his whole game. If you are going to pick and choose statistics you just sound like a goober that doesn't actually watch football.

[theDIRTYcode2]

23 minutes ago, Bytes said:

Cam is the best duel threat QB of all time ALREADY!

I'm assuming A A Rod is not considered dual threat?

[TheRed]

5 minutes ago, theDIRTYcode2 said:

I'm assuming A A Rod is not considered dual threat?

Aaron Rodgers is a ridiculous scrambler, but dual threat would be saying a little much. Besides, if he was really a dual threat QB refs would be picking up yellow flags on the regular after Aaron gets laid out by a defender while scrambling. When was the last time you saw that happen?

[theDIRTYcode2]

8 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Aaron Rodgers is a ridiculous scrambler, but dual threat would be saying a little much. Besides, if he was really a dual threat QB refs would be picking up yellow flags on the regular after Aaron gets laid out by a defender while scrambling. When was the last time you saw that happen?

I'm not gonna argue whether or not Cam should be protected better, for the record he should in some circumstances, in others y'all exaggerate a little.

But A Rods rushing stats were on par with Cams last year. Hell to me, Vick is still the best running QB the league has every seen, and that dude can go fug himself.

[TheRed]

1 minute ago, theDIRTYcode2 said:

I'm not gonna argue whether or not Cam should be protected better, for the record he should in some circumstances, in others y'all exaggerate a little.

But A Rods rushing stats were on par with Cams last year. Hell to me, Vick is still the best running QB the league has every seen, and that dude can go fug himself.

Considering the state of the game in relation to concussions, and the long term effects, how exactly does one "exaggerate" helmet to helmet hits?

Cam didn't rush nearly as much last year as he has in years past.

As for the best, talking strictly on the football field rushing the ball, Vick would undoubtedly have to get the nod most likely.