Kaepernick to the Panthers? Rappaport says it would work

[darrybear]

It would make me think hard about selling my tickets for whatever seasons he is here. Hate that guy even before his disrespectful "protest". Burning a flag is protest as well, doesnt make it ok

I don't necessarily agree with everything he says or any civil rights group says but I encourage everyone to make a stand for what they believe in people get so taken back by what he does to bring attention to the subject they forget about the subject completely and that's what's so crazy you're so up in arms about a flag I'm more concerned about the people behind the flag and the flag really doesn't mean much to me Because what really matters is the people behind that flag you and me, the people who fight for you and me that is the end. anything beyond that is bull and insignificant in the end. he did not stand because he felt that all the poo that the flag is supposed to stand for no longer is there therefore the flag has lost its value. And to be quite honest the flag hasn't had value because it Took so long for the flag to reflect the values of this country and what it was supposedly built upon. And to be really honest this country's flag, if it really stood for this country it not only stands for all the nice things and good things it also stands for the bad there's just so much I could go on and on about why this doesn't matter and why that there's so much hypocrisy that there is no need to be upset. I don't really respect our Military because they don't really treat our soldiers like they should they have to fight for things they should already have a right to when they get home so I'm so tired of seeing that I'm so tired of seeing what you're saying because is absolutely tired it's absolutely stupid but that is just my opinion I guess so you can go ahead along and continue to be butt hurt and continue to be mad that he is exercising his right and protesting nonviolently after all that is what most people complain about a protest being violent here it is no violence no one is getting hurt you choose to view it that way
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[darrybear]

You know that free speech also entails being free to RESPOND to your free speech, right?

In other words, that you are wholly and freely entitled to your "free speech", but that doesn't make you free from responsibility for your "free speech".

You know that, right?

 

honey what do you think free means if you have to pay in any form it is not free you holding something against someone for their opinion makes it not free...you're going to treat them different you're going to act a certain way around them it's not free anymore you have made them pay a price there is no such thing as free speech it's just that this country doesn't make you Pay such hefty prices

Prices= life, jail etc. If you are even 15 and don't know that freedom of speech is all a lie then I worry about you nothing in life is free ever there's always a price to pay

 

 

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[darrybear]

Did you know that the national anthem is not the military anthem, and that one of his stated goals in the protest was the honor the military who have served? that's why he had a military member with him when he did it. You trying to conflate a peaceful protest during the anthem as disrespect to the military is some masturbatory bullshit.
Also you should probably know since you seem to hate liberals, almost all of our players and our head coach are Democrats.

Man don't say anything some people don't get it because they don't want to get it cam Newton once stated himself that he is a BLACK quarterback and you saw how the reaction went ever since then cam has been constantly backtracking....one of the reasons why people hate him is because he's black and people keep saying yeah yeah like they know but I don't think they really understand how much of an impact it is... BUT what needs to be said is that being black affects you in every aspect of your life just like being white affects you and every aspect of your life because being black DOES MATTER it always has it still does to this day and you do get treated differently if you are black even in the simplest tiniest way you will get treated differently and it's subconscious so even the people participating don't even notice it and that's what sucks. I have been really blessed my whole life I really have been blessed I've been shielded from a lot I come from a two parent household they were married before they had me I've always known my dad I'm always know my mother I've had a lot of blessings moneywise I had a car before I could even drive but at the end of the day I am privileged but I am still black I know that even with class privilege I am still limited and that is not a lie it is the truth.


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[tiger7_88]

1 hour ago, darrybear said:

honey what do you think free means if you have to pay in any form it is not free you holding something against someone for their opinion makes it not free...you're going to treat them different you're going to act a certain way around them it's not free anymore you have made them pay a price there is no such thing as free speech it's just that this country doesn't make you Pay such hefty prices

Prices= life, jail etc. If you are even 15 and don't know that freedom of speech is all a lie then I worry about you nothing in life is free ever there's always a price to pay

 

 

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Honey, I can't believe I have to explain this to you, but "free" in the case of the freedom of speech contained in the 1st Amendment to the Bill of Rights doesn't mean "without cost or responsibility", it means "at liberty to do so without burden or restriction by the government".

If somehow you believe that "free speech" means that you should be able to say anything that you want, in any place, and at any time, without correspondingly owning responsibility for your action of speech, then I guess you've never read or even heard of Oliver Wendell Holmes majority opinion in Schenk v. United States, nor have you ever heard of the terms "defamation" or "libel".

Do any of y'all take civics classes anymore?

Edit:  Many colleges will punish or expel one of their students for "hate speech".  According to your theory above, I assume you disagree with such "hate speech" codes?

[ECUPantherFan]

53 minutes ago, darrybear said:

honey what do you think free means if you have to pay in any form it is not free you holding something against someone for their opinion makes it not free...you're going to treat them different you're going to act a certain way around them it's not free anymore you have made them pay a price there is no such thing as free speech it's just that this country doesn't make you Pay such hefty prices

Prices= life, jail etc. If you are even 15 and don't know that freedom of speech is all a lie then I worry about you nothing in life is free ever there's always a price to pay

 

 

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Freedom of Speech as guaranteed by the US Constitution says that you have the right to express yourself and say whatever you want, unless what you say (like shouting "FIRE" in a crowded room) would incite actions that would harm others.

That's it.  Nothing more, nothing less.

What YOU seem to want is freedom from accountability and consequences for what you say.  

Yes, you are free to say damn near anything you want in this country, with very few exceptions.  However, whatever you say may draw consequences from your peers, employer, etc.  The government will not throw you in jail for it, however.  THAT is freedom of speech.  

There are many places in this world where you can be executed and thrown in prison for life for making comments about the government.  The United States is not one of those places.

If you want freedom from consequences and personal responsibility/accountability... well.. I don't know what to tell you other than you're always going to be pissed off and feel like a victim, when it's brought on yourself.  You are responsible for yourself, your actions, and your future.

[darrybear]

 
Honey, I can't believe I have to explain this to you, but "free" in the case of the freedom of speech contained in the 1st Amendment to the Bill of Rights doesn't mean "without cost or responsibility", it means "at liberty to do so without burden or restriction by the government".
If somehow you believe that "free speech" means that you should be able to say anything that you want, in any place, and at any time, without correspondingly owning responsibility for your action of speech, then I guess you've never read or even heard of Oliver Wendell Holmes majority opinion in Schenk v. United States, nor have you ever heard of the terms "defamation" or "libel".
Do any of y'all take civics classes anymore?
Edit:  Many colleges will punish or expel one of their students for "hate speech".  According to your theory above, I assume you disagree with such "hate speech" codes?

What the fug are you talking about I never said that it should be without consequence I'm just stating stop calling it something it's not if you have to pay a price for anything not just with this subject we're talking about, but for anything it's not free I will repeat it again IT IS NOT FREE nothing in life is free that's all I said stop putting words in my mouth stop it , period ,The end, done with you, good night.


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[ECUPantherFan]

"if you have to pay in any form it is not free you holding something against someone for their opinion makes it not free"

Did you go to law school?  What a sound argument and profound statement.  LMAO.

Freedom of Speech is protection from the GOVERNMENT.  Not your friends, co-workers, employer, school, etc.  You're trying to make the term "Freedom of Speech" out to be more than it is.  

 

[darrybear]

Freedom of Speech as guaranteed by the US Constitution says that you have the right to express yourself and say whatever you want, unless what you say (like shouting "FIRE" in a crowded room) would incite actions that would harm others.
That's it.  Nothing more, nothing less.
What YOU seem to want is freedom from accountability and consequences for what you say.  
Yes, you are free to say damn near anything you want in this country, with very few exceptions.  However, whatever you say may draw consequences from your peers, employer, etc.  The government will not throw you in jail for it, however.  THAT is freedom of speech.  
There are many places in this world where you can be executed and thrown in prison for life for making comments about the government.  The United States is not one of those places.
If you want freedom from consequences and personal responsibility/accountability... well.. I don't know what to tell you other than you're always going to be pissed off and feel like a victim, when it's brought on yourself.  You are responsible for yourself, your actions, and your future.

Again I have to tell another one of you motherfugers I never said we should have freedom from consequence what I said is that it is not really freedom of speech if you have to pay for it I understand exactly what you're saying you have no freedom from consequence every action has a reaction I'm not stupid what I was saying is it's not really freedom of speech if you have to pay a price for it we have to pay a price for it regardless of what way your thinking someone has to fight for us to have it someone has to pay the price to keep that freedom someone has to do something in order for that freedom to stay there you have to pay for it someway somehow so regardless of whether someone is fighting for it regardless of whether someone is fighting to keep it regardless of whether it's just you saying something and you becoming a pariah or being blackballed and all those situation someone is paying so another words every way you cut it someone is paying so it is not free


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[ECUPantherFan]

Just now, darrybear said:

Again I have to tell another one of you motherfugers I never said we should have freedom from consequence what I said is that it is not really freedom of speech if you have to pay for it I understand exactly what you're saying you have no freedom from consequence every action has a reaction I'm not stupid what I was saying is it's not really freedom of speech if you have to pay a price for it we have to pay a price for it regardless of what way your thinking someone has to fight for us to have it someone has to pay the price to keep that freedom someone has to do something in order for that freedom to stay there you have to pay for it someway somehow so regardless of whether someone is fighting for it regardless of whether someone is fighting to keep it regardless of whether it's just you saying something and you becoming a pariah or being blackballed and all those situation someone is paying so another words every way you cut it someone is paying so it is not free


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Freedom of speech is freedom from persecution by the US GOVERNMENT for your statements.  Your employer, friends, relatives, etc can do whatever the fug they want to.

Your premise is incorrect and your argument holds no water.  Let it go.

[MadHatter]

5 hours ago, tiger7_88 said:

He is not being black-balled.

He's experiencing the consequences of actions that HE chose to take.  

NFL owners aren't the ones who made Colin Kaepernick toxic... he did that to himself.

And, yes, you have the perfect right to call police officers "pigs" and support the people (like Kaepernick) who do. Doesn't make your position any more popular even if you have that right.  

You might be surprised by this, but most NFL owners like to and do have good relations with law enforcement and the majority ticket buyers and TV viewers that support law enforcement, rather than those that metaphorically spit on them.

This.

And, combine it with the fact that he has proven over the past several years to just not be a good QB.  It is one thing for a team to put up with distractions, controversy, and just plain crap from a starter and major contributor on a team.....Kaep's problem is that no one is willing to put that crap in their locker room for a back-up.

[arbnranger]

[MadHatter]

7 minutes ago, darrybear said:

Again I have to tell another one of you motherfugers I never said we should have freedom from consequence what I said is that it is not really freedom of speech if you have to pay for it I understand exactly what you're saying you have no freedom from consequence every action has a reaction I'm not stupid what I was saying is it's not really freedom of speech if you have to pay a price for it we have to pay a price for it regardless of what way your thinking someone has to fight for us to have it someone has to pay the price to keep that freedom someone has to do something in order for that freedom to stay there you have to pay for it someway somehow so regardless of whether someone is fighting for it regardless of whether someone is fighting to keep it regardless of whether it's just you saying something and you becoming a pariah or being blackballed and all those situation someone is paying so another words every way you cut it someone is paying so it is not free


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It truly is amazing to see how many people posting here and as comments on various internet articles that have NO CLUE was the first amendment and freedom of speech really affords you.

[darrybear]

"if you have to pay in any form it is not free you holding something against someone for their opinion makes it not free"
Did you go to law school?  What a sound argument and profound statement.  LMAO.
Freedom of Speech is protection from the GOVERNMENT.  Not your friends, co-workers, employer, school, etc.  You're trying to make the term "Freedom of Speech" out to be more than it is.  
 

Whatever man it's whatever if you have to pay for it can't be free we don't have true absolute freedom that's all I'm saying and You keep trying to make it so much more complicated than what i'm trying to say all I was saying is that it's not free
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We don't really have freedom of speech and honestly honey I take everything that has really been written in the beginning very lightly because at first they said all men were created equal and yet still had slaves so yeah no I know not to take whatever the fug they say TOO seriously because they themselves didn't take it that seriously... which goes back to what I was saying before that this country that everyone likes to hype up to be this beautiful place has an ugly very very ugly past and incidents that is going to continue to permeate through it's entire existence, yes! That means even in the future


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[ECUPantherFan]

1 minute ago, darrybear said:

Whatever man it's whatever if you have to pay for it can't be free we don't have true absolute freedom that's all I'm saying and You keep trying to make it so much more complicated than what i'm trying to say all I was saying is that it's not free
and

We don't really have freedom of speech and honestly honey I take everything that has really been written in the beginning very lightly because at first they said all men were created equal and yet still had slaves so yeah no I know not to take whatever the fug they say TOO seriously because they themselves didn't take it that seriously... which goes back to what I was saying before that this country that everyone likes to hype up to be this beautiful place has an ugly very very ugly past and incidents that is going to continue to permeate through it's entire existence, yes! That means even in the future


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My God... seriously... you can't be this dense.

The word "Free" and "Freedom of Speech" are two entirely different things.

You say we don't have Freedom of Speech.  We do.  BECAUSE FOR THE LAST FUGGING TIME... Freedom of Speech relates ONLY to persecution from the UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT for things that you say.

Just because you think it should mean something else doesn't mean that it does.  You are wrong.  No if's and's or but's about it.

Now, go plug your phone in before it dies and take a break from the internet.