PFF Samuel Monson: Panthers Offense Is The One To Watch Out For, Not The Bucs

[GoobyPls]

1 hour ago, SetfreexX said:

Ok then I guess you know more than oh I dunno the GM / Coach / OC. I suppose the other players taken in the TOP 10 are expected to have minimal impact. As well as players taken at the top of the 2nd.... (King, Zay Jones, etc)

And what you still leave out is the OL last season was literally ONLY had Norwell left at his original spot (LG), Mike Remmers WAS OUR STARTING LT. We were down to a 3rd string UDFA C (Larsen) our pro-bowl RG (Turner) was playing RT, and our RG was THE Chris Scott. We had no FB in Tolbert it honestly would've been worse IF Stewart was not our running back when it come's to the 1st, and 2nd down carries.  

If you can't separate that crap show of an OL and transpose it vs our lack of effectiveness IN ALL ASPECTS of the offense you'll continue to embarrass yourself from an understanding of personnel and how it all flows together.

And again you continue to reference zone defense, let me break down what the additions add to the equation that we didn't have vs zone last year....pay close attention.

YARDS AFTER CATCH

Brown, Stewart, and Tolbert were MINIMAL threats for YAC on a consistent basis, do you know what this allowed...it allowed the underneath defenders in zone (LBs/Ss/nickel backs) to drop to a greater depth to help on guess what....our intermediate and deep passing game, which guess what...struggled as a result of tighter throwing lanes leading to guess what...less than two yards of separation, and Cam having the smallest windows of ANY QB in the NFL...why, because teams did not respect us underneath when in zone. 

So now you put players on the field who are much greater threats underneath in McCaffrey & Samuel instead of Stewart, Tolbert, and Brown, and I guarantee you those same (LBs/Ss/Nickels) will have to worry more about leaving as much space as they once did...which guess what....opens up those throwing lanes,...which guess what creates bigger throwing lanes....which guess what....leads to plays that were not available last season, or any in recent memory. 

If your vision isn't broad enough to see McCaffrey & Samuel as UPGRADES in the underneath passing game vs two players we let walk, and a power runner. You sir are simply a fool when it comes to understanding football.

 

Minimal affect no, but completely change an offense and make them unstoppable like you suggest, yeah I'll take a rain check. How much want to wager by the seasons end your gonna be using the "he's only a rookie excuse". Funchess is going into his third season and idiots in here are still using the "he's only going into his third year" excuse.

 

You act like Stewart was tearing it up in 2015, he averaged 4.1 ypc which is mediocre for league standards for starters. Our line nor Stewart put fear on any team.

 

Actually our receivers struggled a lot in man to man since they really don't get a lot separation.  And this whole zone cheating down doesn't really make a huge difference if our line sucks, receivers still struggle and Cam is inaccurate. Also this whole thing of Mccaffrey and Samuel switching to RB, you do know CMC struggled mightily to break tackles in COLLEGE, now imagine the NFL, a DE can bring him down with half a hand. And Samuel was purely a outside runner which means opposing D-lines can just spread their stands and set the edge.

 

By using your delusional argument you have given up the right to make excuses for rookies, so as the season goes along and your fantasy plan blows up in your face.  I don't want to hear you blaming Cam, Shula, or anyone else for that instance.

[GoobyPls]

30 minutes ago, KalElofKrypton said:

I'm certain that no matter how well CMAC does over the next few years @GoobyPls will start threads about how overrated he is due to lack of melanin.

You have to be the weirdest race baiting nerd mouth breather in this site. Do you go through my entire post history touching yourself?

[ecu88]

2 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

You have to be the weirdest race baiting nerd mouth breather in this site. Do you go through my entire post history touching yourself?

Me when Run CMC was called

[Saca312]

I've never seen so much unintelligent poo in my life until I read @GoobyPls's post.

[GoobyPls]

1 minute ago, Saca312 said:

I've never seen so much unintelligent poo in my life until I read @GoobyPls's post.

You must feel really smart copying and pasting Reddit post, YouTube scouts and old articles. Let's not forget random PFF tweets you take as scripture.

 

Change your name to the recyclist.    

[tiger7_88]

2 hours ago, ecu88 said:

Meet GoobyPyles

How dare you mock an icon of my childhood, sir?

HOW?
DARE?
YOU?

!!!!!!

:P

[ecu88]

4 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

How dare you mock an icon of my childhood, sir?

HOW?
DARE?
YOU?

!!!!!!

:P

Garsh well gaaaaaall-lee! =)

[SetfreexX]

At the least, we've determined there is one REALLY LOW FOOTBALL IQ huddler. I think if anything this thread allowed the cream to rise to the top. It's astonishing and I often forget that a lot of football fans, don't study football. 

It's clear that we drafted upgrades on the offensive side of the ball, furthermore to side track Funchess is 22 turning 23 this year if I recall, and he's been the 4th option (Olsen, KB, Ginn). For guys expecting him to set the league on fire in his 2nd season, behind the turmoil up front is short-sighted. Funchess was never touted as the physically dominant player KB is. It was also understood he was much more raw as a prospect, but what he brought that KB didn't was more vertical presence, and the ability to play ALL 3 positions, X, Z, and slot. KB primarily plays the Z position, and occasionally lines up in the slot. 

As a fan, and a guy that believes draft classes take three years, I am very intrigued to see Funchess' contribution this season. He's been a red zone threat since day one. he's made some incredible plays for us whether you choose to acknowledge them or not. The only person I'd been down on offensively in recent years has been 1) Tolbert, and 1A) Remmers. 

 

[ecu88]

1 minute ago, SetfreexX said:

At the least, we've determined there is one REALLY LOW FOOTBALL IQ huddler. I think if anything this thread allowed the cream to rise to the top. It's astonishing and I often forget that a lot of football fans, don't study football. 

It's clear that we drafted upgrades on the offensive side of the ball, furthermore to side track Funchess is 22 turning 23 this year if I recall, and he's been the 4th option (Olsen, KB, Ginn). For guys expecting him to set the league on fire in his 2nd season, behind the turmoil up front is short-sighted. Funchess was never touted as the physically dominant player KB is. It was also understood he was much more raw as a prospect, but what he brought that KB didn't was more vertical presence, and the ability to play ALL 3 positions, X, Z, and slot. KB primarily plays the Z position, and occasionally lines up in the slot. 

As a fan, and a guy that believes draft classes take three years, I am very intrigued to see Funchess' contribution this season. He's been a red zone threat since day one. he's made some incredible plays for us whether you choose to acknowledge them or not. The only person I'd been down on offensively in recent years has been 1) Tolbert, and 1A) Remmers. 

Funfun on those goal line hit n go slants are killer. 

[Black&BlueBubba]

His QB was J.T. Barrett -- I recommend you guys go back and watch that Michigan game (one of the ones a tipped passes resulted in an INT to Peppers) the QB situation at OSU was not a great one. Barrett can run, but as a passer, he missed a lot of throws an NFL QB makes to a receiver as open as Samuel was on a few of those routes. But in the end, one of newest additions, and their best skill player found a way to impact and win that game!
Also see Barrett's QBR in two of the biggest games, they were abysmal - http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/545624/jt-barrett
I think like with many college receivers a pairing with an NFL QB will prove a lot of doubters wrong.
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I agree with everything you said. I will admit that I am not an expert on football x and O's. I'm just an old minor league baseball player. But I can evaluate ability. And I said I think Samuel will be fine. But when you watch tape on him (I have watched over 7 full games) he struggles sometimes catching outside his frame on high balls Which Cam throws plenty of. That is my only concern. I'm thrilled to have both CMC and Samuel!!!!

And can I just say that Gooby is getting on my nerves.

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[ecu88]

1 hour ago, Saca312 said:

I've never seen so much unintelligent poo in my life until I read @GoobyPls's post.

Can we have GoobyPls name be subsituted with GoobyPyles kinda like The Golden Calf of Bristol and Golden Calf of Bristol?

[CatMan72]

Brown Cat doesn't seem to understand the difference between a good player and a matchup problem. A speedy WR like Jackson is not a matchup problem unless you move him into the slot or line him up in the backfield and swing passes out to him thereby dictating a matchup with a player that isn't used to dealing with that kind of speed. CMC and Samuels are inherent matchup problems because both of them will lineup in the backfield and you don't know if their role is as a runner or receiver on any given play. Olsen is a matchup problem because he's an excellent receiver and blocker, so his presence doesn't clue run or pass. 

[MadHatter]

1 minute ago, CatMan72 said:

Brown Cat doesn't seem to understand the difference between a good player and a matchup problem. A speedy WR like Jackson is not a matchup problem unless you move him into the slot or line him up in the backfield and swing passes out to him thereby dictating a matchup with a player that isn't used to dealing with that kind of speed. CMC and Samuels are inherent matchup problems because both of them will lineup in the backfield and you don't know if their role is as a runner or receiver on any given play. Olsen is a matchup problem because he's an excellent receiver and blocker, so his presence doesn't clue run or pass. 

ding....ding...ding...we have a winner.

 

[Lasus83.]

4 hours ago, Lumps said:

This is a given and everyone already knows this...they're talking about the draft prospects, why do you think you're special?

first, there are a number of reasons that I am special... not the least of which being that my momma said so.

second, everyone does NOT know this.... some people think that the teams that "won the draft" will win the season.  This is often quite the opposite.  Green Bay, this year, was an exception to a very established rule that teams that tend to stay healthy are teams that tend to go to the playoffs... and then deep into them.  This years draft class may look good on paper... we can have debates about the impact and matchup problems that we will create... but the injury report is the only place I want us to look good on paper.