Report: Shula And The Panthers Planned On Getting McCaffrey And Samuel Months In Advance

[Saca312]

1 minute ago, CPantherKing said:

Shula is recreating his 1999 Bucs offense.

Alstott/Dunn/King = Stewart/McCaffrey/Newton

Green/Anthony/Emmanuel = Funchess/Samuel/Johnson

Moore/Williams = Olsen/Benjamin

So, the 1999 Bucs offense with a better QB, TE, and WR/TE.

To be completely fair, I'm curious as to how you view the direction of the team right now.

I haven't heard you comment much on the draft. Do you believe this off-season was a reaction of Gettleman realizing what he did originally wasn't working, henceforth jump-starting what appears to be a promising offense? Or do you have another view on the matter?

[Mr. Scot]

17 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

Or do you have another view on the matter?

...besides "James Bradberry is terrible" he means.

[outlaw4]

1 hour ago, stbugs said:

At 8 and 40, we had a really good chance of getting both players. I still am not going to say that if Fournette fell to 8 that we would have passed on him, but I think we knew he wasn't going to be there. We certainly wouldn't have traded away Samuel and Moton to get Fournette. I also think with the Ealy trade, Gettleman made his point that even just that little move was big. We had draft capital to move up if we needed, but based on everything I recall seeing before the draft, 8 and 40 was more than enough to get both.

From what I recall, our draft room had some anxiety that the Chargers could've grabbed McCaffrey ahead of us. As for Samuel, him going late in the 1st was a long shot but still a possibility according to a few sites I looked up. Is it a low possibility? Probably but I do wonder what would've been the contingency plan. Glad it worked out, though.

[DaveThePanther2008]

I think everyone is getting away from the concept of what we are trying to do in Carolina.

I was on the Fournette bandwagon but am very happy with the direction of this team.   The only way to compare Fournette and CMC will be on the field.

It has been written a few times that Shula and Rivera wanted to overhaul our offense.  Everyone knows we lacked speed.   I think the difference and what makes me believe we would have taken CMC over Fournette (we'll never really know). Moving CMC to a slot receiver creates more problems for defenses than moving Fournette into the slot.  

Fournette is a power back, we have a power back in Stewart, while much older, still very serviceable.  CMC/Samuel makes play action far more dangerous.  Defenses will no longer be able to stack the box without penalty.   That said, Stewart should be more effective.

If Shula actually comes up with ways to create mismatches this offense is going to create havoc in 2017.  The biggest issue I have isn't a player it is Shula. My fear is that if a play fails a couple of times he reverts back to Read/Option and CMC and Samuel become ghosts on our team.

[csx]

Im being very optimistic and looking for positives but why not. I think Mccaffery has a more unique akillswt than Fournette. Paperbacks are easier to come by it seems. 

 

[Verge]

Except it would have been Fournette and Zay Jones 

[ecu88]

21 minutes ago, stbugs said:

No way you can plan for the surprise, but I think it was still a 90% chance of getting both and then still being able to get Moton, Hall and whoever else they wanted. I'm very happy with the draft, we needed to shake up the offense and get depth at OT. We needed a young DE to groom and get ready. I don't think Hall is going to contribute much this year, but I like him a lot if we can get him going on strength training and mentoring from some amazing vets. The only thing I still wish we did was go after a TE in the 5th. Outside of the top 3, who all went in the 1st, my favorites (not a Shaheen fan) were Kittle, Butt, Sprinkle and Leggett. It was frustrating that 3 of them went in the 7 picks before us and 1 two picks after us. I knew we liked Elder and I like that pick, but I'd love to have a TE to groom. After McCaffery and Samuel, it's pretty clear that 2 TE/power sets isn't what our offense is going to be in 2017, but we still need a long term answer for Olsen and this was a draft where there will be a couple later round TEs hit that normally would have gone way higher.

We will either draft Mike Gesicki or Troy Fumagalli next year

[carpanfan96]

I still get a huge kick out of these threads. Read the whole thing just to watch a few people continue to poo all over themselves. 
It was always going to be him - no matter how bad you don't want to believe it. 

We told everyone. lmao

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[DaveThePanther2008]

1 hour ago, stbugs said:

I'd be happy with that and I was more OK after realizing that we aren't likely going 2 TEs as much. You can'd have McCaffery, Samuel and 2 outside WRs or 1 WR and Stewart in the backfield with McCaffery with 2 TEs. I guess my worry is that one of the 5th rounders will end up a stud. I think in the 5th, the guys I listed above were great values. I hope Elder is what we liked about him.

Well his former coach, a former 1st round DB, seems to think we got a steal. 

http://www.panthers.com/news/article-2/College-coach-praises-Corn-Elders-game/77314b6b-24ef-443e-8105-e242ea24b26f

[d-dave]

Man, there is so much misdirection going on now a days.  Politics, the draft, jobs, whatever.

So we don't know what else "could" have happened.  We only know what happened.  

As far as what the Panthers do?  Well, we know Shula's past.  We also know that if the offense doesn't evolve, then many guys are out of jobs. So we can sit here and talk poo to each other about the possible failure or success we MIGHT have.  Sounds good?

OR, we can be hopeful that things get better.  That these two fast guys are going to make a big impact for Cam.  Then if it doesn't happen, the nay sayers get to celebrate the failure of the season!  Right?  Good?

You can't change the past, you can only move forward.

[thefuzz]

LF didn't fit what we are trying to do.

CmC perfectly fit what we are trying to do.

 

How is that so hard for many of you to comprehend?

[ecu88]

19 minutes ago, d-dave said:

Man, there is so much misdirection going on now a days.  Politics, the draft, jobs, whatever.

So we don't know what else "could" have happened.  We only know what happened.  

As far as what the Panthers do?  Well, we know Shula's past.  We also know that if the offense doesn't evolve, then many guys are out of jobs. So we can sit here and talk poo to each other about the possible failure or success we MIGHT have.  Sounds good?

OR, we can be hopeful that things get better.  That these two fast guys are going to make a big impact for Cam.  Then if it doesn't happen, the nay sayers get to celebrate the failure of the season!  Right?  Good?

You can't change the past, you can only move forward.

Barium meals and canary traps oh my

[ecu88]

8 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

LF didn't fit what we are trying to do.

CmC perfectly fit what we are trying to do.

 

How is that so hard for many of you to comprehend?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

CMC > LF

[thefuzz]

1 minute ago, ecu88 said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

CMC > LF

I agree, but it does need to be explained a little further.

CmC is better than LF for what we are trying to do right now....LF may have been better for what other teams are trying to do.

If you have a good O Line, and "pocket passer" playing under center...yea, LF may have been better....but here?  Nah.