PFF explains how versatile we really can be now with CMC and Samuel

[TheRumGone]

18 minutes ago, beastson said:

If Shula can't do common sense things, why people question those that are skeptical of what he can do with CMC and Samuel?

Truthfully the problem with Shula is he doesn't know how to adjust. Whatever he has planned, he's going to stick with until the season is over. If we get exposed, the adjustments will be minimal. We need to go to a faster paced offense and let Cam adjust to what he see.

Shula was advocating in the offseason to change up the offense because teams were adapting. He wasn't given anybody but KB coming back from ACL surgery.

this years draft was a major overhaul. First three picks on offense with some supremely talented and athletic players. If Shula fugs this up, fire him.

[Daddy_Uncle]

If Shula can't use him right year one then we have to bring in a creative offensive coordinator. Hopefully he has a good plan to utilize him 

[Snake]

13 hours ago, MadHatter said:

You hit the nail on the head.....the issue with the offense last year was OL, and the offense can be ridiculous this year IF the OL can get it done.

 

Yea it had nothing to do with plays taking years to develop and getting no separation with the WRs. Nope all the olines fault, like why can't those guys hold for 10 seconds. 

[Snake]

9 hours ago, SetfreexX said:

This is true, and in turn defenses will have to commit more defenders to cover the shallower routes implemented which also limits the available blitzers for defenses to let loose regularly. 

It stresses the cover 3 zones as well. McDerp and the Bills will be Shulas first test to see if he can destroy cover 3.

[Bostonheelfish]

1 hour ago, PrimeTimeHeel said:

Shula drove me insane with this last year. 

The OL is complete poo yet we design and call plays that take a long time to develop. 

If the OL is complete poo you got to design and call plays that have the ball out in 2-3 seconds. 

Totally.  I think we will see a big year out of Funchess.  Our pocket collapsed last year at the exact time the receivers broke off their routes.  I don't really blame Funchess for last year as a result.  He was rarely the first option, and he had late-breaking routes that the O-line gave no time to mature.  Shula didn't adjust trusting the players would straighten in out, but it never happened and we lost 4-5 games we shouldn't have as a result.  I also don't blame Shula for not adjusting.  Sometimes you gotta stick with the plan and let your players know you believe in them to fix it - especially coming from having the #1 offense the year before.   

I think the offense knows now more than ever that the offense Shula designs in the offseason is the offense for the whole season, and they are the last line of defense in ensuring its success.  The coaches aren't going to come to their rescue.  If they want to win, then they have to work hard to make it work or they lose - it's up to them.  With the talent on the roster, I think the coaches feel success will come from maximizing the effort as opposed to accommodating it.

[PrimeTimeHeel]

1 hour ago, TheRumGone said:

What players did we have last year that we could get the ball out out in 2-3 seconds, without the opposing team being draped all over that receiver? ginn? With those hands? We were a SLOW team, our receivers were literally the worst in the league about getting separation. We just got quick and fast af with our two first picks. This theoretically should work.

 

Sigh

Dont need to be fast when teams are playing zone. Just a matter of getting to the open / soft spot in the zone. 

Dont need to be fast in man. Simply a matter of running good routes / crisp breaks and using your body to shield the defender. 

Most teams play zone 80% of the time. Man is just too easy to beat if you know they are in it. 

[MadHatter]

9 hours ago, Snake said:

Yea it had nothing to do with plays taking years to develop and getting no separation with the WRs. Nope all the olines fault, like why can't those guys hold for 10 seconds. 

About 4 weeks ago, I ran into a guy who used to be a back-up OL on the Panthers.  We were talking about last season among other things.  Even he said that the entire problem with the offense last season was the play of the OL.....and then a little with Cam getting head shotted. 

I even asked him about his opinion of Shula....and he laughed, saying that most of the fans blaming him were idiots that really had no idea of what they were talking about. 

[shaqattaq]

23 hours ago, Hogmolliesmaht said:

The whole point of brining in these playmakers is to make it easier on the O-line by getting the ball out of Cam's hands a little quicker though. Cam is going to have to learn to dink and dunk a little bit more.

Exactly. Worst case scenario is our O-line is just as bad as last season (couldn't get much worse). Cam still has options that don't involve waiting on KB to slowly fight for 6 inches of separation, Olsen to beat a double team (or stay in to block), or Ginn to run 25 yards down field. A quick dump off to MCC or Samuel and watch them make people miss. Best case scenario, our o-line stays healthy and plays well and we're an offensive Juggernaut. 

[Snake]

1 hour ago, MadHatter said:

About 4 weeks ago, I ran into a guy who used to be a back-up OL on the Panthers.  We were talking about last season among other things.  Even he said that the entire problem with the offense last season was the play of the OL.....and then a little with Cam getting head shotted. 

I even asked him about his opinion of Shula....and he laughed, saying that most of the fans blaming him were idiots that really had no idea of what they were talking about. 

I think evidence proves otherwise. Oline is a problem but teams like the Seahawks overcome them by scheme. Blaming one group is just very ignorant. 

[Hogmolliesmaht]

1 hour ago, stbugs said:

Yep. The Broncos won the SB over us with a horrific OL. There's a reason their offense did nothing against us and we had to hand the game away with ref help. Our offense didn't allow for the OL injuries to not impact the game. That said with a better K that OL is on a 10-6 team with as bad and injured as we played.


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The Broncos had the best defense in the NFL though and it wasn't even a close race.

[MadHatter]

2 hours ago, Snake said:

I think evidence proves otherwise. Oline is a problem but teams like the Seahawks overcome them by scheme. Blaming one group is just very ignorant. 

Kind of like those that continue to blame Shula when those inside football highly regard him and talk about how complex and innovative his offense is.....you mean those idiots?

All I was saying is that an actual offensive lineman who played for the Panthers said that the OL play was pretty much the reason that the offense struggled....I think I will take his opinion on this topic over yours.

[Snake]

2 hours ago, MadHatter said:

Kind of like those that continue to blame Shula when those inside football highly regard him and talk about how complex and innovative his offense is.....you mean those idiots?

All I was saying is that an actual offensive lineman who played for the Panthers said that the OL play was pretty much the reason that the offense struggled....I think I will take his opinion on this topic over yours.

How many people need to break down our scheme to prove its not just one unit? I mean it has been done to death. If it were all about oline and scheme Dallas would have won the SB last year. Yet almost every year people talk about Seattles oline and almost every year they make the playoffs. 

[bandu]

7 hours ago, MadHatter said:

About 4 weeks ago, I ran into a guy who used to be a back-up OL on the Panthers.  We were talking about last season among other things.  Even he said that the entire problem with the offense last season was the play of the OL.....and then a little with Cam getting head shotted. 

I even asked him about his opinion of Shula....and he laughed, saying that most of the fans blaming him were idiots that really had no idea of what they were talking about. 

the oL was definetly are achilles heel last season 

[MadHatter]

17 hours ago, Snake said:

How many people need to break down our scheme to prove its not just one unit? I mean it has been done to death. If it were all about oline and scheme Dallas would have won the SB last year. Yet almost every year people talk about Seattles oline and almost every year they make the playoffs. 

Listening to posters on this board think they can "break down our scheme" is about as funny as posters talking about how they "studied tape on draft picks".

Newsflash....there are no experts here.  I prefer to listen to what the real experts in the league say.  And, most talk about how creative and complex our offensive scheme is....and that Shula is very respected in the league.