"Cam Newton Isn't Accurate." Is That Really True? A Quick Look At Why Shula Is To Blame, And The Offense

[Udogg]

Just now, UpstatePanther said:

@Udogg I hear you. Shula definitely catches undue scapegoat flack at times. He certainly had a tough road to plow in 2016 with all the other problems. That being said, I think Saca's point was that Shula doubled down on what was already wrong and expected Cam to just cope. He didn't try to tweak anything, come hell or high water (and both came in 2016). And that's always been one of my biggest criticisms of Shula: his stubbornness adherence to his philosophy. If your tools change or stop working altogether, you have to learn how to make it work a different way. And Shula has seemed incapable of doing that. So Gettleman solved the problem by getting him new tools. 

I definitely hear you about Cams WTF passes. I went to every home game and Atlanta last season. I saw it for myself. They do happen. But id be willing to bet it doesn't happen any more than the other elite QBs in the league. They're still human beings and they're gonna make a bad call once in a while. That being said, two bad judgments per game does not explain why Cam is perceived as inaccurate

I'm was the same way until I started to think about, what tweaks and wrinkles he could have run.   You still have the same people running it.  If you don't have the speed to make NFL defenses take that man out of the box, and your WR's don't scare anyone,  and you can't run because they have those extra people in the box,....what can you do? 

We ran reverses , screens, end around's , read option etc..  We couldn't run spread,  we tried to double te for a while then everyone realized we had Ed Dickson.  Everyone played the running back on the read because they realized Cam wasn't keeping anymore, especially after the injuries/concussion.  KB was out of shape the entire year.  Olsen was still Olsen, but that was it.  

I just don't see the mystical magical rabbit out the hat, that Shula could have used last year.    I don't think Shula is an offensive mastermind, but I think he is good enough to use the tools available.  I mean look at Mike Martz, when he had Holt, Bruce, Marshall Faulk, he was an "offensive genius".   When he Johnny Knox, Sam Hurd and Caleb Hanie.....not so much.

 If we are stagnant on offense this year, feel free the heap all the blame on Shula.  But around here, doesn't matter what happens,  Cam will get the credit for the good, and Shula gets the credit for the bad. 

[UpstatePanther]

7 minutes ago, Udogg said:

 If we are stagnant on offense this year, feel free the heap all the blame on Shula.  But around here, doesn't matter what happens,  Cam will get the credit for the good, and Shula gets the credit for the bad. 

I will agree that Cam needs to put in work himself. The entire team lost it mojo last year and I honestly feel like they gave up halfway through the season. From the moment Gano's kick went wide in the Denver game to open the season, nothing felt right. And Cam was no small part of that. He obviously had a defeated aura about him by the 3/4 mark of the season. Wasn't having fun. Was in pain. Etc. everyone shares a bit of the blame. There's only so much Shula could have done, and only so much Cam could have done. 

I think the issues have largely been resolved, or will be by the end of training camp, and I honestly have huge hopefulness about this season. Get back to that one game at a time mantra and keep pounding the f*ck out of any team in our way to SB52. We have the talent to do it this year, as long as our guys stay healthy.

[DaveThePanther2008]

5 hours ago, zacka77ack said:

Is Cam Newton accurate?

 

Camels may not fit through the eye of a needle but Cam can throw a football through one.

This was such an amazing throw..

Screw all the haters.....This is MY QB.

[Hogmolliesmaht]

Again. The only thing that first play points out is that Cam made a bad decision by throwing to the covered receiver. KB actually bailed him out on that one. He had the slot receiver and the flat receiver wide open on that play.

[Saca312]

Just now, Hogmolliesmaht said:

Again. The only thing that first play points out is that Cam made a bad decision by throwing to the covered receiver. KB actually bailed him out on that one. He had the slot receiver and the flat receiver wide open on that play.

Someone already debunked that a while ago.

Cam made the only decision he could. 

[tiger7_88]

3 hours ago, punkpanther said:

Why even say it then ? It has no bearing on the topic of the post.Nobody actually believes the NFL HATES Cam Newton . That's asinine. You fancy yourself some pseudo Panthers beat writer . You're not .


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Looks like an ignorant troll isn't smart enough to understand grammatical tools like "figure of speech" and "exageration for effect" and got his little panties in a wad.

I bet if someone said "Cam threw the ball 1000 times!" you would respond with "UH UH! HE ONLY THREW IT 40 TIMES!"

[Hogmolliesmaht]

1 hour ago, Saca312 said:

Someone already debunked that a while ago.

Cam made the only decision he could. 

How is it debunked? Cam was holding the ball and they were open. He always has a choice. That slot route was perfect if he throws that ball as the receiver comes out of his break.

 

I like Cam a lot, but too many people are making excuses for him at the expense of the OC.

[punkpanther]

Looks like an ignorant troll isn't smart enough to understand grammatical tools like "figure of speech" and "exageration for effect" and got his little panties in a wad.
I bet if someone said "Cam threw the ball 1000 times!" you would respond with "UH UH! HE ONLY THREW IT 40 TIMES!"

So you're saying the NFL doesn't actually hate cam? Great news ! Here's a figure of speech for you: " go fug yourself "


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[CatMan72]

14 hours ago, UnluckyCharms said:

27 is hoping Cam throws that across the middle. Thats a 30 yard pass. Anything less than a pure laser and its picked. Either way his receiver is going to get absolutely annihilated as 27 tees off on him from the bottom of the screen leading to an incompletion/injury. Earl Thomas was also playing that pass across the middle. The underneath receiver had both the corner and Chancellor praying to the heavens that he gets that dump off. Thats an injury or fumble waiting to happen.

Yeah 27 read that all the way and was ready to undercut that throw and take it to the house. 

[Saca312]

2 hours ago, Hogmolliesmaht said:

How is it debunked? Cam was holding the ball and they were open. He always has a choice. That slot route was perfect if he throws that ball as the receiver comes out of his break.

 

I like Cam a lot, but too many people are making excuses for him at the expense of the OC.

Per @UnluckyCharms

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27 is hoping Cam throws that across the middle. Thats a 30 yard pass. Anything less than a pure laser and its picked. Either way his receiver is going to get absolutely annihilated as 27 tees off on him from the bottom of the screen leading to an incompletion/injury. Earl Thomas was also playing that pass across the middle. The underneath receiver had both the corner and Chancellor praying to the heavens that he gets that dump off. Thats an injury or fumble waiting to happen.

 

[pantherphan96]

Worth clicking on this tweet if you want a breakdown of some of the major plays Cam made/missed this season.

Just a few:

 

[Hogmolliesmaht]

28 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

Per @UnluckyCharms

 

Yeah, after he held to ball too long, it would have been picked off. That's why I specifically said he had to throw it before the route was actually open. If he does that, that's an easy completion. It's called anticipating the throw. Tom Brady will make that throw all day long.

[Saca312]

3 minutes ago, Hogmolliesmaht said:

Yeah, after he held to ball too long, it would have been picked off. That's why I specifically said he had to throw it before the route was actually open. If he does that, that's an easy completion. It's called anticipating the throw. Tom Brady will make that throw all day long.

That's even more stupid than throwing it to Kelvin.

That receiver was accounted for from the start. Even if Cam "anticipated" the route like he normally does, the defender will get to the wideout in easy time for a pass breakup or pick.

[Hogmolliesmaht]

1 minute ago, Saca312 said:

That's even more stupid than throwing it to Kelvin.

That receiver was accounted for from the start. Even if Cam "anticipated" the route like he normally does, the defender will get to the wideout in easy time for a pass breakup or pick.

Dude, did you not watch your own video? If Cam throws that ball right when the slot receiver makes his break and leads him, he has ten yards separation on any defender on the field. He held the ball too long. That's just a fact.