Matt Harmon: Why Pairing Cam Newton And Christian McCaffrey Will Revolutionize The Panthers

[therealmjl]

9 minutes ago, General_Purr said:

I wish we would practice Cam scrambles on broken plays.. I think thats when his running is best but he is always alone with no blockers.. our WRs have size and could block but once they run their route they act like the play is over for them. 

 

Remember those bullshit formations with fuging Cotchery in the backfield? I can see tricky triple option type poo with movement from Samuel, Christian and Cam in the backfield. Who's getting the ball? Or are we going to ISO K Benji with all the focus in the backfield and let Cam chunk a high ball? This year could be a great year but I think the biggest factor is our coaching and prep. Evolving in ALL areas, workouts, nutrtition, mental training, its the NFL. Get these guys the best modern coaches for their well being and their body. KEEEEEP Pounding

Yep those formations used to really grind my gears...but thinking of being able to use CMC and Samuel back there instead of Cotchery is extremely appealing.

[thefuzz]

5 minutes ago, mc52beast said:

Basically it took Cam almost being killed before Ron and Co figured out that the offense had to "evolve".

We just went to the god damn super bowl.

[therealmjl]

2 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

We just went to the god damn super bowl.

this x1000

[pstall]

4 hours ago, Hogmolliesmaht said:

I've kind of gone back and forth on the zone read, but now I'm starting to think about how much more dangerous that play can be if they don't run it as often and they have CMC and Samuel to run it with cam. We could actually incorporate a little bit of triple option and it could actually work for this team. I still don't like that fact that Cam can get hit on any given option play though, hence the part about not running it as often.

I have been saying this for 2 yrs now. Don't make the read your base. But use it for a hurry up offense or, use it to finally gas the def when you are up 2 + scores.

I have also been saying you have to look carries and runs in its totality. They add up on rbs so why don't we think the same for qbs?

Sprinkle it in a game if the match up call for it. But a few designed roll outs and either bombs away or throw it away or just sprint for 4 yards and live another down.

My only concern is Cam getting reps with the youngbloods in time before the season starts.

[CPF4LIFE]

34 minutes ago, mc52beast said:

Basically it took Cam almost being killed before Ron and Co figured out that the offense had to "evolve".

Yep

[lightsout]

If you think defenses have "figured out" the option, you don't understand the concept of the play. Where it has failed has been execution. Not the play itself. Every play has a way to be shut down by a defense. If the option gets 4 yards, it did its job. That goes for any run, really.

Cam is an option quarterback. I know you all want him to be Peyton and to be a pure pocket-passer with insane run ability if he needs it, but that's not what he is and that is not what he will be in the future. He's an option quarterback. That means the option is the base play of the entire offensive system and he works play action off of that. You can't make a lion into a house cat, even if it would be really nice if it was. Cam is what he is and the option is an important part of his game.

Having said all of that, Shula needs to add variety to formations that we run the option out of and the read key (zone read, veer, triple, etc. can all be ran out of basically any shotgun package. We tend to focus on just zone and triple, with very little veer). Shula also needs to work on setting it up better and disguising it better whenever he can. That's not a fault of the system, it's a fault of the OL not executing and/or Shula not paying enough attention to the details. This can be said for ANY offensive play, btw. This isn't just a read option problem, it can be applied to any system on any play that fails.

By and large, our option game isn't bad. It's not getting "stopped" or "figured out" because "teams can just spy Cam". If your OL is doing it's job and getting second level, that spy is blocked unless it's a safety, and even then, the play will get at least 4 yards more times than not. Our option game doesn't produce first downs automatically like it used to because nobody has to worry about quick passes over the top anymore. We've had sub-par receiving with only Ginn as the true deep threat quick. Everything down field was slow developing, so they could stack the box and dare us to throw because they knew that we wanted to run first and foremost, and we wanted to work the ball deep if we either got the run established or it failed. That's easy to prepare for.


TL;DR: quit hating on the option, because it is part of Cam's game and like it or not, it's staying. If you think it's a stupid play because "teams figured out how to stop it", you don't understand football. EVERY play has been "figured out" by defenses. It's about execution.

[theDIRTYcode2]

I keep having to remind myself that HB passes are new to you guys like screens were to us in the Mularky years. 

Brees basically built a HOF career out of that one playaction dumpoff pass.

[panthers55]

If you think defenses have "figured out" the option, you don't understand the concept of the play. Where it has failed has been execution. Not the play itself. Every play has a way to be shut down by a defense. If the option gets 4 yards, it did its job. That goes for any run, really.

Cam is an option quarterback. I know you all want him to be Peyton and to be a pure pocket-passer with insane run ability if he needs it, but that's not what he is and that is not what he will be in the future. He's an option quarterback. That means the option is the base play of the entire offensive system and he works play action off of that. You can't make a lion into a house cat, even if it would be really nice if it was. Cam is what he is and the option is an important part of his game.

Having said all of that, Shula needs to add variety to formations that we

TL;DR: quit hating on the option, because it is part of Cam's game and like it or not, it's staying. If you think it's a stupid play because "teams figured out how to stop it", you don't understand football. EVERY play has been "figured out" by defenses. It's about execution.

Agree about execution being the major issue on any play. Don't agree that Cam will be an option quarterback moving forward. When the referees made him a target to take head shots whenever he runs the ball they dictated that we were going to change our system from an option offense to more of a spread offense intermixed with a zone running attack. We all knew that Cam was going to evolve into more of a pocket passer as he got older but the head shots just accelerated the process. Picking up Moton as well as Curtis and McCaffrey were all an attempt to improve the running game by creating mismatches with the safeties and linebackers and change from a largely downfield vertical offense to one with more short and timing routes. While this is not Cam's long suit, he can be effective as long as the passes are direct and straight line instead of touch passes dropped between 2 defenders. So no I think we have seen the end of the read option and using Cam as a primary runner. He will scramble and sometimes run when no one expects it but the days of being our primary weapon on third and short is over I think. It was a good run but it had to change or risk getting Cam seriously hurt.

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[Snake]

Both McCaffrey and Samuel open up this offense a good bit. Speed kills and we have two guys now that can do that. Add Byrd to take the top off and you can kill a cover 3 team like ATL. 

[Kevin Greene]

5 hours ago, lightsout said:

Cam is an option quarterback. I know you all want him to be Peyton and to be a pure pocket-passer with insane run ability if he needs it, but that's not what he is and that is not what he will be in the future. He's an option quarterback. That means the option is the base play of the entire offensive system and he works play action off of that. You can't make a lion into a house cat, even if it would be really nice if it was. Cam is what he is and the option is an important part of his game.

 

Hard to believe there is anyone who considers this Cam's ceiling.

[lightsout]

Just now, Kevin Greene said:

Hard to believe there is anyone who considers this Cam's ceiling.

I'm not saying that we've seen Cam's ceiling. Cam can improve as a passer. But what he is at his roots, at the very core of him, is an option quarterback. He is good at flowing with the game and taking advantage of the defense whenever he can. He seems most comfortable when running read option and working play action off of it. What I mean is his timing and composure seem to be at their best in those situations.

So, me calling Cam an option quarterback is akin to calling Luke a 4-3 linebacker, or calling Josh Norman a zone corner. It's not that they couldn't learn and do other things, it's that their base of work is built from that core.

[Kevin Greene]

From Day One Cam could sling the rock, and scramble with the best.

 

[kungfoodude]

"Transform the league" is pure hyperbole. More like we are finally coming around to helping our franchise QB not get his goddamn head knocked off on a regular basis. Maybe eventually we will pair these new weapons(and hopefully scheme) with something other than subpar OT's. #deadhorse

 

I just hope this "Panthers Offensive Revolution" actually materializes.

 

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