Hall vs Basham

[OnlyPantherFaninMaine]

Lots of off-the-field baggage with a Basham. I'm happy with Hall. 

[davos]

7 minutes ago, JawnyBlaze said:

http://draftbreakdown.com/video/daeshon-hall-vs-auburn-2016/

about half the snaps he's twitchy fast right on the snap, the other half he's the typical college upper tier slight lag. Almost all des I watch in college have a bit of a lag in their get off, few are truly elite get off. Hall looks like one of those half the time. 

I concur!

I'd recommend someone watch a reel of Jordan Willis or Walker and then give Hall a go.  If you can't see the difference, I don't know what you're seeing.  Hall's get off is pro-caliber which is huge for a guy with prototypical 4-3 size.  

[PrimeTimeHeel]

3 minutes ago, JawnyBlaze said:

http://draftbreakdown.com/video/daeshon-hall-vs-auburn-2016/

about half the snaps he's twitchy fast right on the snap, the other half he's the typical college upper tier slight lag. Almost all des I watch in college have a bit of a lag in their get off, few are truly elite get off. Hall looks like one of those half the time. 

 

Watched 4 minutes of that. Only saw 1 or maybe two times he came off the snap with some explosiveness. 

Didnt pressure the QB in any of the 4 minutes. Seems to have average get off and goes straight into the OT trying to push him back. Zero pass rush moves or bending the edge. 

Serious project. 

 

[heel31ok]

1 hour ago, rodeo said:

Hall was the top rated remaining DE on Gil Brandt's board and it wasn't even close. Hall was 57, Basham was 127.

though I like the Hall pick it is  meaningless where he stood on Brandt's board...

[JawnyBlaze]

2 minutes ago, PrimeTimeHeel said:

Watched 4 minutes of that. Only saw 1 or maybe two times he came off the snap with some explosiveness. 

Didnt pressure the QB in any of the 4 minutes. Seems to have average get off and goes straight into the OT trying to push him back. Zero pass rush moves or bending the edge. 

Serious project. 

 

Watch more then.  He got a few QB pressures.  One of which herded the QB straight into garrett's arms.  He's got a bit of a swim but not much else. He'll learn. If a DE with his measurables was a finished product with a full repertoire he'd be a top 10 pick. 

[Hogmolliesmaht]

Hall led the team in QB pressures as a senior with 12. Watching one game is not going to tell the whole tale. They guy just started playing DE this past season so he is definitely raw, which is fine for us right now. We don't need a day 1 starter.

[jayflip]

1 hour ago, rodeo said:

Hall was the top rated remaining DE on Gil Brandt's board and it wasn't even close. Hall was 57, Basham was 127.

But but but I've never heard of Hall and Basham is a name I know. Derp. 

[juliosantos]

well its your word vs gettleman and siding with gettleman

[juliosantos]

also hall had miles garrett on the otherside to compete with getting sacks

[PrimeTimeHeel]

1 hour ago, JawnyBlaze said:

Watch more then.  He got a few QB pressures.  One of which herded the QB straight into garrett's arms.  He's got a bit of a swim but not much else. He'll learn. If a DE with his measurables was a finished product with a full repertoire he'd be a top 10 pick. 

Hard to teach that violent explosive nature you want in DL players. Hall is athletic but it doesn't exactly jump out on screen and he lacks that mean streak to my eyes. 

He has potential. I'll give you that.

My problem is don't like drafting solely potential in the first 3 rounds. Prefer the later rounds for raw projects with upside. 

[JawnyBlaze]

Just now, PrimeTimeHeel said:

Hard to teach that violent explosive nature you want in DL players. Hall is athletic but it doesn't exactly jump out on screen and he lacks that mean streak to my eyes. 

He has potential. I'll give you that.

My problem is don't like drafting solely potential in the first 3 rounds. Prefer the later rounds for raw projects with upside. 

Fair enough, but there aren't too many players with high upside that aren't raw in the 3rd.  Especially high value positions like DE.