Who saw it coming?

[ThPantherFan]

Before anyone gets upset this was all in good fun. And I definitely think the Panthers could be 3-3 at the end of October.

Siss on you pister you aint so mucking fuch! I'm extremely offended by your remarks!

[firstdayfan]

Siss on you pister you aint so mucking fuch! I'm extremely offended by your remarks!

Ooooook?

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[ThPantherFan]

Ooooook?

:confused:

[Mr. Scot]

The honest answer to this question: Nobody.

You'll have members of the doom and gloom crowd saying "Of course I saw it coming. I posted about it." But a load of those folks also "saw it coming" last year before we went 12-4 and would have still "seen it coming" regardless of preseason performance.

The reality is that given what we knew, and what we didn't, there was no objective reason for anyone to think the season would start this badly.

But it has, and here we are.

[panther4life]

The honest answer to this question: Nobody.

You'll have members of the doom and gloom crowd saying "Of course I saw it coming. I posted about it." But a load of those folks also "saw it coming" last year before we went 12-4 and would have still "seen it coming" regardless of preseason performance.

The reality is that given what we knew, and what we didn't, there was no objective reason for anyone to think the season would start this badly.

But it has, and here we are.

so to summarize your basically saying it is what is, right?

[PantherDude]

I wasn't upset with the fact people pointed out the issues in preseason nor was I calling them out as idiots. I was more along the lines of "let's wait and see if it carries over, it might not". I do think I expressed concern with the length/toughness of TC seeming to decline every year and how that may be an issue.

Word. The reason why I always keep a open mind if a team go 0-4 in the preseasons is because anything can be possible in the regular season. With how the Lions were 4-0 last year & 0-16, it's why I never buy into the regular season even thought we're sucking recently.

[PuntJake]

One thing's for sure: just as last year's preseason showed us this team's strengths, this year's preseason showed us this team's weaknesses.

so then, preseason did translate to regular season???

[PuntJake]

Word. The reason why I always keep a open mind if a team go 0-4 in the preseasons is because anything can be possible in the regular season. With how the Lions were 4-0 last year & 0-16, it's why I never buy into the regular season even thought we're sucking recently.

but the problem people have is when they look at the preseason, its always about the record. and they always point out the lions 4-0 to 0-16.

its not about the record in preseason, its about how we played in preseason. and our first team played terrible. and it has now shown up in regular season.

we need to stop looking at preseason records. watch the games and see how our first team played against other first teams. if the scrubs come in later and win or lose the game, then YEAH, that part of it doesn't matter at all!

[grateflday]

I do beleive pre-season is "only preason"; but I was definately concerned with how the team was playing. If the defense was tackling, offense was making plays, special teams were doing well then I could have cared less with an 0-4 record - but in this case I was concerned cause the team top to bottom, start to finish was showing lots of problems. I was concerend.

[PuntJake]

The honest answer to this question: Nobody.

You'll have members of the doom and gloom crowd saying "Of course I saw it coming. I posted about it." But a load of those folks also "saw it coming" last year before we went 12-4 and would have still "seen it coming" regardless of preseason performance.

The reality is that given what we knew, and what we didn't, there was no objective reason for anyone to think the season would start this badly.

But it has, and here we are.

you're just flat out wrong! there was a lot of reason to see it. you just don't want to acknowledge the fact that other people did in fact see it, and you didn't. just because you don't see something, doesn't mean its not there. just because you don't see an "objective" reason for anyone to think something, doesn't mean that there isn't an objective reason for others to form an opinion on.

get over yourself.

[Mr. Scot]

you're just flat out wrong! there was a lot of reason to see it. you just don't want to acknowledge the fact that other people did in fact see it, and you didn't. just because you don't see something, doesn't mean its not there. just because you don't see an "objective" reason for anyone to think something, doesn't mean that there isn't an objective reason for others to form an opinion on.

get over yourself.

I'm not the one patting myself on the back

If you look back, you won't see me making preseason predictions. I'm in the "wait and see" crowd. Feel free to search if it's actually that important to you. If it is though, that's actually kind of sad :sosp:

How it works: If you go on record before every game predicting Delhomme will throw 3 or more picks, and then congratulate yourself when he does it after the fourth time it's predicted, that ain't sayin' much.

Reality is that every year there are people who predict great glory and people who predict we're doomed. It's rarely based on objective analysis and more on the mindset of the person making the prediction (homer or hater). In those seasons where we go to one extreme or another, they can congratulate themselves, for what that's worth (to me, not much) :sosp:

[The Pieyed Piper]

My third eye sees all!

[firstdayfan]

Originally Posted by Mr. Scot

The honest answer to this question: Nobody.

You'll have members of the doom and gloom crowd saying "Of course I saw it coming. I posted about it." But a load of those folks also "saw it coming" last year before we went 12-4 and would have still "seen it coming" regardless of preseason performance.

The reality is that given what we knew, and what we didn't, there was no objective reason for anyone to think the season would start this badly.

But it has, and here we are.

As much as I respect you Scot I don't agree with you on this at all. The whole reason for this was not so much to pat myself on the back but to address all the negative responses that I and others received for their opinions during the preseason. I for one am in no way glad that I was on the right track as the last three weeks have been horrible for me to watch. In fact I predicted we would be 1-3 at this point and finish 10-6, I think we might be able to finish 9-7 or 8-8 if we can get things going but thats not the point.

The point is that so many people are so quick to judge others on this forum that they don't stop to actually listen to what they are saying. I know there are some jerks on here (I have encountered several) but there are some other people who legitimately know what they are talking about and have watched football and the Panthers long enough to know when things aren't right. That's all that this is about. Trying to gain some satisfaction for all the abuse that we suffered during the preseason. I'm sure even you were tired of all the chicken little threads.

[PntherPryd]

As much as I respect you Scot I don't agree with you on this at all. The whole reason for this was not so much to pat myself on the back but to address all the negative responses that I and others received for their opinions during the preseason. I for one am in no way glad that I was on the right track as the last three weeks have been horrible for me to watch. In fact I predicted we would be 1-3 at this point and finish 10-6, I think we might be able to finish 9-7 or 8-8 if we can get things going but thats not the point.

The point is that so many people are so quick to judge others on this forum that they don't stop to actually listen to what they are saying. I know there are some jerks on here (I have encountered several) but there are some other people who legitimately know what they are talking about and have watched football and the Panthers long enough to know when things aren't right. That's all that this is about. Trying to gain some satisfaction for all the abuse that we suffered during the preseason. I'm sure even you were tired of all the chicken little threads.

Here's the point (I think) Mr. Scot was making and with which I agree. At what point in the Panthers history was it universally acknowledged that things "were right" for more than 4-5 games in a row?

So, people predicting doom and gloom have a very good, no, extremely good chance at proving themselves correct. All of you have my congratulations.