Mike MCoy off to a great start... Even with Kyle Orton

[Kevin Greene]

Besides, McCoy is why we never draft QBs, because the Panthers are incapable of developing them.

Common knowledge.

[Kevin Greene]

Orton's style is a far cry from his predecessor, Pro Bowl passer Jay Cutler, who famously bragged that his arm was stronger than Hall of Famer John Elway's and often seemed intent on proving just that.

Orton isn't nearly as exciting as Cutler, but he's certainly been more efficient and effective so far.

Ten times in his career Cutler has thrown for 300 or more yards. Orton, who was traded to the Broncos for Cutler this offseason, has but a single 300-yard game to his name.

Yet, Orton is 22-12 as a starter in the NFL, Cutler 19-21.

While Cutler gives the Bears (2-1) their first franchise quarterback since Sid Luckman in the 1940s and hope for a Super Bowl, Orton has given the Broncos (3-0) steady play that includes a lot of low-risk passes and quick throwaways when he's in trouble.

"I try to obviously play smart football, not put our offense or our defense in bad situations -- and make plays when they're there," Orton said. "It's certainly not a style of play where you're scared to take chances or scared to take shots. It's just knowing the right time to do them."

Orton doesn't have the powerful arm or the lofty passing statistics of his predecessor, whom former coach Mike Shanahan used to encourage to take chances downfield, reasoning that an interception on a deep third-and-long pass was just as good as a punt, so why worry?

Cutler has such faith in his fastball that he often tries to fit darts into small spaces, resulting in either a spectacular play or a forehead-slapping interception.

Through three games with the Bears, Cutler has completed 64 percent of his throws for an average of 253 yards with six touchdowns, five interceptions and six sacks. He's also lost a fumble.

Orton has completed 56 percent of his passes for an average of 221 yards with three touchdowns, no interceptions and three sacks with the Broncos.

Both are averaging 7.5 yards per pass attempt.

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[frash.exe]

Yet, Orton is 22-12 as a starter in the NFL, Cutler 19-21.

they always throw this garbage stat into play. The Broncos are winning partly because the defense is giving up around 5 points a game right now, and before they were losing partly because the defense used to give up 30 points per game.

[stirs]

Makes you wonder....

Henning was thought to be the most conservative guy in the history of football while he was our OC. Moved to Miami and out comes the Wildcat.

I remember the guy who was the best defense for Michael Jordan...Dean Smith.

Fox could be the common denominator in the whole thing. Davidson and Meeks might be great somewhere else, but here there career is dying.

[rayzor]

Makes you wonder....

Henning was thought to be the most conservative guy in the history of football while he was our OC. Moved to Miami and out comes the Wildcat.

I remember the guy who was the best defense for Michael Jordan...Dean Smith.

Fox could be the common denominator in the whole thing. Davidson and Meeks might be great somewhere else, but here there career is dying.

i guess you didn't read the rest of the thread. mccoy isn't doing anything there. mcdaniels is calling the plays. it has been well known that was going to be the case.

[Kevin Greene]

i guess you didn't read the rest of the thread. mccoy isn't doing anything there. mcdaniels is calling the plays. it has been well known that was going to be the case.

So Mcdaniels gets the gig as the Bronco head coach. And he thinks to himslef, tradition says I need an OC, but I want to run the entire show myself.

So he went out and got the worst OC he could find so he could fill a title and all the while he does it all himself. :icon_bs:

[KatsAzz]

We all wanted him gone and look, now that he's out from under John Fox, it looks as if he is doing pretty well. Broncos are 3-0. Granted, Cincny lloks to be the toughest opponent so far but they are still 3-0. There next three games will let us know what they are made of

Mike McCoy

Offensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks Coach

Mike McCoy enters his first season as offensive coordinator/quarterbacks coach for the Denver Broncos in 2009 after spending the previous nine years coaching for the Carolina Panthers. McCoy, who competed in the Broncos' 1995 training camp as a rookie free agent quarterback, was named to his current position on Jan. 20, 2009.

McCoy held a variety of positions on the Panthers' offensive staff since beginning his coaching career with the club in 2000, including working as Carolina's passing game coordinator/quarterbacks coach for the previous two seasons. He worked closely with quarterback Jake Delhomme in Carolina, helping him to his first career Pro Bowl selection (2005) and four 3,000-yard passing seasons (2003-05, '08).

The Panthers totaled three playoff appearances, two division titles, two NFC Championship Game appearances and a berth in Super Bowl XXXVIII (2003 season) during McCoy's nine years on staff. Carolina tied for the second-best record in the NFC (T-7th in NFL) from 2003-08, posting a 56-40 (.583) mark with McCoy seeing an increased role in coaching its offense in that six-year period.

As passing game coordinator/quarterbacks coach with Carolina from 2007-08, McCoy's passing offense averaged the seventh-most yards per completion (11.7) in the NFL during that time. Delhomme averaged the fifth-most yards per pass attempt (7.8) in the NFL during McCoy's two seasons managing Carolina's passing attack while wide receiver Steve Smith enjoyed similar success, ranking seventh in the league in receiving yards (2,423) over that period.

In 2008, McCoy's instruction helped Delhomme rank fourth in the NFL in yards per pass attempt (7.9) and register his fourth career 3,000-yard passing effort (3,288). His passing offense featured a 1,421-yard receiving output from Smith that was the third best in the league and resulted in the wide receiver earning a Pro Bowl berth. The Panthers' 12-4 regular-season record tied for the best mark by the club in franchise history and resulted in the team earning a first round playoff bye.

Injuries forced the Panthers to start four different quarterbacks (none for more than three games in a row) in 2007, but McCoy's group of passers answered the challenge. Carolina became the first NFL team in 10 years to win at least one game with four different starters at quarterback (Delhomme, David Carr, Matt Moore and Vinny Testaverde).

McCoy's instruction in 2007 prepared Moore, a rookie college free agent, to start the Panthers' final three games and post victories in two of those three contests.

From 2002-06, McCoy served as the Panthers' quarterbacks coach and also handled offensive assistant duties for the club during the first year of that period. His teaching helped Delhomme total 89 touchdown passes in the four-year period from 2003-06 that represented the fifth-highest total in the NFL.

In 2006, Delhomme registered a career-high 61.0 completion percentage with McCoy's instruction helping him post a 1.55 touchdown-to-interception ratio (17-11) that was the 10th best in the league. The Panthers had an 11-5 record and advanced to the NFC Championship Game in 2005, and McCoy's efforts with Delhomme helped the quarterback tie for fourth in the league with 24 touchdown passes to earn his first Pro Bowl selection.

Delhomme enjoyed a career-year under McCoy in 2004, registering personal bests in passing yards (3,886) and touchdown passes (29) that both marked the second-best season totals in Panthers annals. Delhomme's 1.93 touchdown-to-interception ratio (29-15) also ranked fifth in the NFL for the season.

McCoy helped the Panthers to an NFC South title and their first-ever Super Bowl berth (XXXVIII) during the 2003 season. Delhomme, in his first year as an NFL starter, registered a league-high seven fourth-quarter comeback drives that season.

Carolina named McCoy its wide receivers coach in 2001, and he oversaw the development of Smith during his rookie campaign. Wide receivers Mushin Muhammad and Donald Hayes each recorded 50+catch and 500+receiving yards under McCoy's instruction that year.

McCoy's coaching career began with Carolina as its offensive assistant in 2000, and he was thrust into the quarterbacks coaching role four weeks into the season. He worked closely with veteran Steve Beuerlein, helping him total 3,730 passing yards that ranked seventh in the NFL.

A quarterback in college, McCoy spent his first two seasons playing for Long Beach State University from 1990-91 under legendary Head Coach George Allen before transferring to the University of Utah for his final two years. His collegiate career ended in dramatic fashion in 1994 when he threw a game-winning, 5-yard touchdown pass to wide receiver Kevin Dyson in the final minute to give Utah a 16-13 win against Arizona in the Freedom Bowl.

The Broncos signed McCoy as a college free agent in 1995, and he spent the regular season as a rookie on Green Bay's practice squad. He saw his first professional playing time with NFL Europe's Amsterdam Admirals in 1997 and spent one game on San Francisco's roster as its third quarterback that year. McCoy competed in training camp with Philadelphia in 1998 before concluding his playing career with the Canadian Football League's Calgary Stampeders in 1999.

Yes,it's amazing what a change of scenery will do to help a coach reach their full coaching ability.

[Mr. Scot]

Funny thing: From what I remember, most of McCoy's pre-Panthers background involved working with West Coast offenses. That made him more valuable when Seifert ran the show, but less so otherwise.

Wonder if his being here would have helped A J Feeley learn the ropes quicker.

(nah)

[rayzor]

So Mcdaniels gets the gig as the Bronco head coach. And he thinks to himslef, tradition says I need an OC, but I want to run the entire show myself.

So he went out and got the worst OC he could find so he could fill a title and all the while he does it all himself. :icon_bs:

doubt it if you want but people have been saying that he was going to be running the show all along.

say you're a young coach and you are trying to build a coaching staff. you thihnk about OC and say to yourself, "who can i get to help do this? oohhh....i know! I'll go out and get the best man for the job! the obvious pick! the QB coach for the carolina panthers!" what?

mcdaniels is calling the plays. that was the plan all along. he was the OC for the Pats and for some reason that qualifies him to be a head coach and some kind of "offensive guru" touched by the hand of belicheat. that is the reason that he was brought in to denver.

[Kevin Greene]

Yeah, I think the McDaniels hire was actually a joke. Nice job running Cutler out of town genius. Organizations are scrambling to be like the Pats. Charlie Weiss, Romeo Cronnel, Eric Mangini. McDaniels has more time as a coaches assistant I think than as an OC with the Pats.

McDaniels joined the Patriots in 2001 as a personnel assistant. From 2002 to 2003, he served as a defensive coaching assistant for the team, working with the defensive backs in 2003. In 2004, he became the team's quarterbacks coach. McDaniels was with the New England Patriots for all three of their Super Bowl championships, Super Bowl XXXVI, Super Bowl XXXVIII, and Super Bowl XXXIX. After offensive coordinator Charlie Weis left the team following the 2004 season, the Patriots did not name an offensive coordinator for the 2005 season. According to The New York Times, in 2008, it was McDaniels who called the offensive plays for the 2005 season, although suggestions to that effect were made in 2005.[2][4] After the season, McDaniels was officially promoted to offensive coordinator, while retaining his responsibilities coaching the team's quarterbacks.

Brady was already developed before McDaniels duties of getting donuts for the coaches was upgraded to QB coach.

[Fireball77]

So Cassel was already developed too?

KG I like you dude, but I think you are letting a little Pats haterade cloud your judgment of JM's ability as an OC and QB coach. Is he a good HC? No idea yet. Has he handled everything right in the press as a HC? Nope. Is he the final reason JC is in Chi? Not if you listen to Pat Bowlen. So far, it appears that trade has worked out for both teams, but it's early.

[Kevin Greene]

Pat Bowlen says exactly what you would expect him to say of course.

As you say FB, it's early and the Broncos are going to start playing real teams now.

I'm guessing by the end of the year the Bears are going to be sniffing the post season, the Broncos not so much. We'll also see weather Cassel lifts the Chiefs to greatness or not.

[Fireball77]

Oh I am not saying JC is JM's ideal QB by any means. He isn't. Hence part of the reason for the swap. I think Bowlen's feeling on JC not calling him back was the last straw though.

Well KC is a bad team. I do believe, and obviously I have zero facts to back it up, that Cassel would be able to do fine in Denver. I think the Bears have a tougher division than the Broncos so I wouldn't be shocked if the Bears were scratching for the playoffs at 9-7 and the Broncos were the division winner at 9-7.

[Jangler]

Amazing how all of those coaches that were holding us back went on to do well elsewhere. Maybe they just didn't feel like performing here?

I have no idea what you are talking about... :confused:

3 DEs in Green Bay:

Jason Hunter 11 tackles 2 sacks

Cullin Jenkins 10 tackles 2 sacks

Johnny Jolly 12 tackles 0 sacks

and one of them comes off the bench!!!!