To the nay sayers ... You aren't as informed as Gettleman...

[Hogmolliesmaht]

58 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

yeah i did and i said the same thing at first, but that's also without a cb in is face jamming him at the line, hes going to lunch on lb's that's a fact but i'll have see him go up against cb's jamming him at the line before i'm sold on him being the best slot guy in the draft. Cooper Kupp is also among that list but his speed isn't ideal catches everything, along with zay jones 

How many of those other WR's had to face a lot of press coverage in college? Pretty much every rookie WR has to adjust to press coverage. It will be easier with CMC because they can move him around all over the place and even put him in motion to keep those DB's off of him.

[AndrewLaskoski]

1 hour ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

I mean like theo riddick darren sproles, and danny woodhead 

"1) Emmitt Smith 5′9″ 210 lbs - Known for his freakish durability and amazing field vision. missed 2 games in his whole career with Dallas, and that was a contract holdout. He would miss more at Arizona at the end of career, but he’d already broken Payton’s record.

2) Walter Payton 5′10″ 200 lbs- Despite his nickname, “Sweetness”, Payton was better known for his powerful running and phenomenal durability.

3) Barry Sanders 5′8″ 200 lbs- The ultimate elusive back. When you watch a “Greatest Runs of All Time” reel, chances are, you’ve seen Sanders carry the ball. Retired early for a few reasons.

4) Curtis Martin 5′11″ 210 lbs- Great field vision, and got this far without the fanfare of the other four backs on this list. His time with the Patriots and Jets saw consistent play and an unshakable will.

5) Ladanian Tomlinson 5′10″ 215 lbs- Mr. San Diego. In my opinion, he was the most complete running back on this list, with Payton being a very close second. He not only ran the ball with agility and power, but he was also a great pass-catcher and a by-the-book blocker."

 

[AndrewLaskoski]

1 hour ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

I mean like theo riddick darren sproles, and danny woodhead 

 

3 minutes ago, AndrewLaskoski said:

"1) Emmitt Smith 5′9″ 210 lbs - Known for his freakish durability and amazing field vision. missed 2 games in his whole career with Dallas, and that was a contract holdout. He would miss more at Arizona at the end of career, but he’d already broken Payton’s record.

2) Walter Payton 5′10″ 200 lbs- Despite his nickname, “Sweetness”, Payton was better known for his powerful running and phenomenal durability.

3) Barry Sanders 5′8″ 200 lbs- The ultimate elusive back. When you watch a “Greatest Runs of All Time” reel, chances are, you’ve seen Sanders carry the ball. Retired early for a few reasons.

4) Curtis Martin 5′11″ 210 lbs- Great field vision, and got this far without the fanfare of the other four backs on this list. His time with the Patriots and Jets saw consistent play and an unshakable will.

5) Ladanian Tomlinson 5′10″ 215 lbs- Mr. San Diego. In my opinion, he was the most complete running back on this list, with Payton being a very close second. He not only ran the ball with agility and power, but he was also a great pass-catcher and a by-the-book blocker."

 

Edit isn't working but CMC is 5'11" and 205lbs. That seems like a sweet spot to me between these 5 and you must seem to forget that CMC is only 20 years old. He'll put on more muscle as he ages and eventually get to the 215 - 220lb range which is plenty for a RB.

[ncfan]

You mean like Warrick Dunn and Shady McCoy? 

Or this dude down in Atlanta that has started giving us fits.

Devonta Freeman
5'8 206

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[Khyber53]

It tells a lot that we picked up the Stanford wide receivers coach before the draft.

[Cpt slay a ho]

1 hour ago, Hogmolliesmaht said:

How many of those other WR's had to face a lot of press coverage in college? Pretty much every rookie WR has to adjust to press coverage. It will be easier with CMC because they can move him around all over the place and even put him in motion to keep those DB's off of him.

 

1 hour ago, AndrewLaskoski said:

"1) Emmitt Smith 5′9″ 210 lbs - Known for his freakish durability and amazing field vision. missed 2 games in his whole career with Dallas, and that was a contract holdout. He would miss more at Arizona at the end of career, but he’d already broken Payton’s record.

2) Walter Payton 5′10″ 200 lbs- Despite his nickname, “Sweetness”, Payton was better known for his powerful running and phenomenal durability.

3) Barry Sanders 5′8″ 200 lbs- The ultimate elusive back. When you watch a “Greatest Runs of All Time” reel, chances are, you’ve seen Sanders carry the ball. Retired early for a few reasons.

4) Curtis Martin 5′11″ 210 lbs- Great field vision, and got this far without the fanfare of the other four backs on this list. His time with the Patriots and Jets saw consistent play and an unshakable will.

5) Ladanian Tomlinson 5′10″ 215 lbs- Mr. San Diego. In my opinion, he was the most complete running back on this list, with Payton being a very close second. He not only ran the ball with agility and power, but he was also a great pass-catcher and a by-the-book blocker."

 

the absolute ceiling for him Imo, can he get there of course, but it's going to take alot. David Johnson es is what i'm praying for within in 1-2 seasons 

[Dunn]

2 hours ago, tiger7_88 said:

 

This is how reasoning like the above breaks down logically:

"We shouldn't try to improve our short passing game because we don't have a very good short passing game."

Well if you read the entire quote, you'd see I broke down why I said what I said.  Newton needs to improve his short passing game...it sucks right now.  Do you disagree with that?

[Cpt slay a ho]

1 hour ago, Hogmolliesmaht said:

How many of those other WR's had to face a lot of press coverage in college? Pretty much every rookie WR has to adjust to press coverage. It will be easier with CMC because they can move him around all over the place and even put him in motion to keep those DB's off of him.

I just can't put him above guys who've played the position there entire career yet, I hope i'm proven wrong 

[Hogmolliesmaht]

1 minute ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

I just can't put him above guys who've played the position there entire career yet, I hope i'm proven wrong 

Fair enough, but you should ask yourself why you can't come up with a reason for that when the college production and combine performances are both as solid as they were.

[Thanatos]

This is a dumbass thread, Jeremy. So if we disagree, we're just supposed to assume Gman is infallible? The guy who always tells us "the answer is on the roster," when we all know it isn't? People just ride emotions, yall are all feeling good because of the draft, so right now Gman can do no wrong. 

Everyone should give Cmac a chance to prove himself, but there are people who have put a ton of time into evaluating tape on guys that do not see in McCaff what Gman obviously does. And let's not pretend Gman has this long history of drafting studs, because he doesn't. 

I will say one huge positive with McCaff is that we should have a short outlet on blitzing plays by the opponent now. That was a huge problem last year and I remember you made several threads highlighting how we had no one running the short routes. If Shula can't figure out how to incorporate screens and short slants/angle routes with McCaff, he should catch the first shortbus out of Charlotte.

[CPcavedweller]

11 hours ago, Jeremy Igo said:

I think it is safe to say the Panthers absolutely know what they are getting in CMC... at least more than youtube scouts. 

Dave Gettleman

"Well I watched all of his touches over two years. So what’s that, 700 touches he had between running and passing? And the returns. It was really funny, I was just talking to Mr. Richardson about it. There was a run he had and I don’t remember who it was against so don’t ask but he was running in the tackle box. He sees the backside linebacker. The front side linebacker is getting blocked. It’s a real tight space and he cuts his angle and actually bangs off that linebacker who is getting blocked and the backside linebacker couldn’t get there because of the angle he took. Then he steps on the gas like the road runner and see you later. That was pretty special."

I watched all of his games on youtube as well, and I watched all of Marcus Cox's games, and I don't see a huge difference in running style. Cox is a few hundredths of a second slower in the 40 but overall their running style, vision, cutback ability, route running, and ability to squeeze in those tight gaps are the same. The only difference is on special teams.

Only problem is that we took one of them in the top 10 and the other one likely goes anywhere from the 6th to PFA. 

[CPcavedweller]

1 hour ago, Promethean Forerunner said:

Look, McCaffrey is the Swiss Army Knife this offense desperately needs. Cam can't continue to endure more beatings. Christian will make defenses honest. If you give this kid even inch, he'll make you pay. I preferred Fournette because of our power running scheme but McCaffrey is something special IF we scheme around his strengths like we did with Cam. Shula and that new WR coach are really gonna have to change things up. In addition, Benjamin and Funchess have to step up. I'm sick and tired of our boys not being able to set up a successful screen play.

This was my gripe and a lot of people on my facebook feed don't seem to understand nor care to understand why I was saying I wasn't sure how to feel about the pick. I think, as I mentioned in another post, you are going to see us grab a guy who takes the top off of defenses, keep Benjamin running the intermediate to deep levels, send Funchess on short to intermediate, and allow CMC to operate over the middle, which will hopefully be open as a result of a deep threat. 

The positive thing about CMC is that he will create his own space from defenders who are covering him one on one. The negative thing is that Cam tends to lock onto a guy and the defense could tee off on CMC by following Cams eyes as they seem to have been able to do more of recently. 

[CPcavedweller]

6 minutes ago, Thanatos said:

This is a dumbass thread, Jeremy. So if we disagree, we're just supposed to assume Gman is infallible? The guy who always tells us "the answer is on the roster," when we all know it isn't? People just ride emotions, yall are all feeling good because of the draft, so right now Gman can do no wrong. 

Everyone should give Cmac a chance to prove himself, but there are people who have put a ton of time into evaluating tape on guys that do not see in McCaff what Gman obviously does. And let's not pretend Gman has this long history of drafting studs, because he doesn't. 

I will say one huge positive with McCaff is that we should have a short outlet on blitzing plays by the opponent now. That was a huge problem last year and I remember you made several threads highlighting how we had no one running the short routes. If Shula can't figure out how to incorporate screens and short slants/angle routes with McCaff, he should catch the first shortbus out of Charlotte.

CMC is better than both Fozzy and Cap so from that angle, we got a good deal. 

[CPcavedweller]

45 minutes ago, ncfan said:

Or this dude down in Atlanta that has started giving us fits.

Devonta Freeman
5'8 206

Sent using the amazing CarolinaHuddle mobile app
 

You want to know the difference between what Freeman has and what Stew and CMC will have? 5 yards of green grass before you even have to think about making a move on someone. Stew was the most elusive back in the league, and broke the most tackles, yet only averaged 3.5 yards per carry because there were no holes. If you allow Stew the 8 or 9 yards of steam that Freeman gets, not many people are going to bring him down.