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What does Cam need to get back to previous level?


yasuhara2241

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7 minutes ago, yasuhara2241 said:

1. Health -  Is there a player that we could draft and be a viable back-up tackle?

2. Speed -  Do you all have any concerns about him slowing down?

3. WR Separation - T Which WR do you all think will have the biggest impact on our offense?

4. Playcalling / Scheme - What offensive changes would you all make and which players in the draft would help us go in that direction?

I think Cam is our QB and will get back to a very high level of play. What are your expectations of him next year?

1.Yes, I researched 0 tackles because I heard it's such a weak class. However we are not so stacked currently that finding a decent backup somewhere in this draft is impossible. May have to use a higher pick than some would like to due to supply/demand.

2.No, I think he's still young enough and naturally gifted this is not a concern that crosses my mind

3. In the draft, Corey Davis is the closest to a plug and play there is in this draft that can create his own seperation, plus be an immediate starter for us. 

4. I don't blame Shula for all of our offenses woes. What we know is he's had success when the line was above average. The success is because of him and Cam. Without Cam or a good offensive line, has he shown he can make us a top offense on his playacting alone? Not even close. But in reality how many could?

Expectations for Cam alone, is he gets his swagger back and feels like him old self as soon as he can throw again. How the offense will perform as a whole? I don't feel comfortable making any concrete statements yet. Hopefully the draft will increase my optimism there.

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10 minutes ago, thomas96 said:

Clearly we can and should upgrade those position groups, but those things were not the reason that Cam was locking into targets instead of going through all his reads, feeling pressure when it wasn't there and showing poor pocket presence compared to what we've seen from him, having inaccurate passes on a more consistent basis, etc. Cam struggled along with the rest of the team, he has work to do as well. I think you can factor in his coaching to some degree with Dorsey and to a lesser degree Shula, but Cam has responsibility as well to improve. And I'm sure he knows that. Is Cam the most glaring improvement we need on this team? No absolutely not, not even top 10 or top 15. But that doesn't mean he's absolved from his struggles.

Thank you ! You can't blame literally everyone except cam 

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I think this is the perfect draft to splurge on offense picks. We don't really have a pressing need at any defense position. Would be nice to have a younger DE to groom , younger SS , and better CB depth but all that pales in comparison to how infusing our offense with new blood will work wonders for cam and the team .

I'd like to see us get a RB, at least one WR (maybe 2), TE, and at least one (maybe 2 ) OT , and possible w FB and or kicker 

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24 minutes ago, yasuhara2241 said:

As much as most of us love Cam we need to also admit that last year he wasn't good at all. There were tons of factors to his drop-off and I am not at all just blaming Cam. Some concerns:

1. Health - He was beaten up really badly last year by tons of hits (legal and illegal). This obviously affected him mentally and physically. We brought in Kalil but beyond that we haven't done much else to help the oline. This looks like a very weak oline draft. We have one injury to one of the tackles and we are in a lot of trouble. Is there a player that we could draft and be a viable back-up tackle?

2. Speed - Cam looked slow last year. He had far less escapes last year. He looks a lot less explosive. Injuries have played a part in that and all reports say he looks like he lost weight. Do you all have any concerns about him slowing down?

3. WR Separation - This was a real problem last year. Cam had to throw in such tight windows. This problem I do feel like can be solved in the draft. There are quite a few quality WRs in this draft that can really contribute. Which WR do you all think will have the biggest impact on our offense?

4. Playcalling / Scheme - I really think we have gotten away with a lot that Cam does well. The read option became too much of a staple in our offense. What offensive changes would you all make and which players in the draft would help us go in that direction?

I think Cam is our QB and will get back to a very high level of play. I love the fact that many people are underestimating him. He is very prideful and has a huge ego so that type of criticism will only fuel him. What are your expectations of him next year?

1. This goes along with #4 to some degree. Cam's been beaten up the past few years because we've been using him as a battering ram FB in addition to a QB, which is ridiculous. Take the power running game off of Cam's shoulders completely. Best way is to bring back the H-back role or true blocking FB and grab Fournette to carry the load. Cam should only be running in essential short yardage situations (i.e. end of game down 7, playoffs, etc.) and scrambling when the opportunity shows itself. No more designed runs. 

2. I agree with this, Cam's gotten bigger and has definitely been slower the past several years than he was from '11 to '13. I think he has lost weight which is good and should get him faster for scrambles. We don't need to use him as a battering ram any more so he shouldn't be that big. Over the course of 2014, 2015, and 2016 there were numerous times he tried to scramble away from a sack and was caught by the defender where in 2013 and before that never ever would've happened as he would've been long gone. He lost some of his agility and speed when scrambling for sure. Hopefully this year he gets it back.

3. I actually don't think this is among the biggest problems. We don't have amazing route runners who will get open at will in the slot (though Shep could possibly be the guy) but our guys are pretty solid. Bigger problem is Shula with the long developing routes and to some degree last year Cam locking onto guys like KB and Greg instead of looking for Philly, Funch, etc.

4. As I mentioned in #1, we need to stop the read option bull. Draft Fournette, build a power run game around him and a FB/H-back and let that open up the play action for Cam and the scrambling opportunities. Our offense's foundation is similar to the Rams' Greatest Show on Turf which was built around Marshall Faulk opening up the intermediate and deep passing game for Warner. Same thing needs to happen for Cam.

 

There's no doubt in my mind that Cam will be in the MVP conversation again next year IF the offensive evolution does indeed happen, which the signs are pointing to being true. If we stick with the read option, it'll be a slightly better year than last year for him.

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32 minutes ago, yasuhara2241 said:

As much as most of us love Cam we need to also admit that last year he wasn't good at all. There were tons of factors to his drop-off and I am not at all just blaming Cam. Some concerns:

1. Health - He was beaten up really badly last year by tons of hits (legal and illegal). This obviously affected him mentally and physically. We brought in Kalil but beyond that we haven't done much else to help the oline. This looks like a very weak oline draft. We have one injury to one of the tackles and we are in a lot of trouble. Is there a player that we could draft and be a viable back-up tackle?

2. Speed - Cam looked slow last year. He had far less escapes last year. He looks a lot less explosive. Injuries have played a part in that and all reports say he looks like he lost weight. Do you all have any concerns about him slowing down?

3. WR Separation - This was a real problem last year. Cam had to throw in such tight windows. This problem I do feel like can be solved in the draft. There are quite a few quality WRs in this draft that can really contribute. Which WR do you all think will have the biggest impact on our offense?

4. Playcalling / Scheme - I really think we have gotten away with a lot that Cam does well. The read option became too much of a staple in our offense. What offensive changes would you all make and which players in the draft would help us go in that direction?

I think Cam is our QB and will get back to a very high level of play. I love the fact that many people are underestimating him. He is very prideful and has a huge ego so that type of criticism will only fuel him. What are your expectations of him next year?

2 TE set either OJ Howard > Leggett > Shaheen > Sprinkles 

 

RB  either Fournette or McCaffrey

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What Cam needs from the team:

1. Better play calls and game planning.

2. Better execution of the plays from the other 10 guys on offense.

3.  Some guys to make plays at a higher percentage from last year.

What Cam needs to do for the team:

1. Be confident, get the swagger back, whatever it takes to get his confidence and fun back!

2. Take care of his body.  Don't worry about business decisions versus looking tough.  He's GOT to take care of himself better avoiding the major hits he normally takes.

3.  Be consistent.  He's got to get better at the 80% of football, the regular drives and normal plays.  Cam is an extremely entertaining play maker, but sometimes, on the regular stuff, he misses horribly.  He's got to get consistent moving forward.

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10 minutes ago, thomas96 said:

3. I actually don't think this is among the biggest problems. We don't have amazing route runners who will get open at will in the slot (though Shep could possibly be the guy) but our guys are pretty solid. Bigger problem is Shula with the long developing routes and to some degree last year Cam locking onto guys like KB and Greg instead of looking for Philly, Funch, etc.

I agree with everything you said except I don't have the faith you have in our WRs. I agree that he does lock on to KB and Greg but to be fair last year he really didn't have too much time to go on to his 2nd and 3rd reads. He was able to do that the year before when our oline stayed healthy the entire year. Now I am not as down on Funch as a lot of people. I feel like he got open quite a bit but Cam never looked his way until the CB recovered and got on him again. I do feel like we could def use a speed receiver like a Ross who can get open right off the line.

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Even if we spend the rest of the draft on defense getting Fournette would be huge if the team really tailors everything to him. Like everyone already been saying , axe the read options and QB power, do alot more stuff under center with extra blockers like tight ends, fullbacks, and even recievers chipping in to make holes .

If he's any good in the NFL this is going to mean we won't have defenders draped all over kelvin and Olsen, if we can get one halfway decent speed WR then we could be unstoppable .

Probably the best possible thing we could do in this draft is getting Fournette or McCaffey at 8 and trading back up into the late first to get Howard , Njoku, or Ross. 

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Just now, Hoenheim said:

Even if we spend the rest of the draft on defense getting Fournette would be huge if the team really tailors everything to him. Like everyone already been saying , axe the read options and QB power, do alot more stuff under center with extra blockers like tight ends, fullbacks, and even recievers chipping in to make holes .

If he's any good in the NFL this is going to mean we won't have defenders draped all over kelvin and Olsen, if we can get one halfway decent speed WR then we could be unstoppable .

Probably the best possible thing we could do in this draft is getting Fournette or McCaffey at 8 and trading back up into the late first to get Howard , Njoku, or Ross. 

This is exactly what I think. If we get 2 of the players you listed it would really put our offense on a completely different level. I am leaning towards a Fournette / Njoku combo but would be happy as hell with any 2 of those 5.  

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Just now, yasuhara2241 said:

I agree with everything you said except I don't have the faith you have in our WRs. I agree that he does lock on to KB and Greg but to be fair last year he really didn't have too much time to go on to his 2nd and 3rd reads. He was able to do that the year before when our oline stayed healthy the entire year. Now I am not as down on Funch as a lot of people. I feel like he got open quite a bit but Cam never looked his way until the CB recovered and got on him again. I do feel like we could def use a speed receiver like a Ross who can get open right off the line.

It's not that I have a ton of faith in our receivers, it's more that I just don't see it as being as big of a priority as other things. We need a slot WR who can be a dependable possession guy, maybe with some YAC ability, and the ability to get open for first downs. And I think we do need a Ted Ginn speed guy replacement for Cam to hit down the field. But I do think KB and Funch are solid. And it's very possible our FA signings, Shep and CJ2 can be the slot guy and Ginn replacement, respectively.

People forget how good KB was training camp of 2015. He looked like he was going to have a Dez Bryant or AJ Green type of dominant year. The injury put a dent in those plans and last year he was sluggish coming off of it, but I think he's ready to get back to that. I mean, he was dominant against the Broncos elite secondary last year and the 49ers the next week before slowing down, but he came on strong again at the end of the year. 

As for Funch, he had a really down year. Part of it was not getting looks but he also just had a bit of a sophomore slump after a promising second half of his rookie year. I still have hope he can develop into a solid #2. 

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Just now, thomas96 said:

It's not that I have a ton of faith in our receivers, it's more that I just don't see it as being as big of a priority as other things. We need a slot WR who can be a dependable possession guy, maybe with some YAC ability, and the ability to get open for first downs. And I think we do need a Ted Ginn speed guy replacement for Cam to hit down the field. But I do think KB and Funch are solid. And it's very possible our FA signings, Shep and CJ2 can be the slot guy and Ginn replacement, respectively.

People forget how good KB was training camp of 2015. He looked like he was going to have a Dez Bryant or AJ Green type of dominant year. The injury put a dent in those plans and last year he was sluggish coming off of it, but I think he's ready to get back to that. I mean, he was dominant against the Broncos elite secondary last year and the 49ers the next week before slowing down, but he came on strong again at the end of the year. 

As for Funch, he had a really down year. Part of it was not getting looks but he also just had a bit of a sophomore slump after a promising second half of his rookie year. I still have hope he can develop into a solid #2. 

What I don't understand is that a lot of people will give Cam a pass because of injuries but they are the first to crucify KB after coming back from an ACL. I truly don't know a lot about Shep and CJ2 so I am not that excited about them yet until I see them in a Panthers uniform. I am still on the weird love affair with a Ross or Carlos Henderson type receiver.

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