So If Fournette Is The Pick In The First Round....

[nctarheel0619]

7 hours ago, The Huddler said:

Dude... Are you serious?

 

 

You can't make this poo up.  

[Mvp2014]

6 hours ago, Doc Holiday said:

Its not an idea, its factual its something that has been long proven to work, just watch the 2008 panthers for the last time we used this to great effect, jake was terrible that year, but we still ended up the 2 seed in the NFC because of Stew and Williams. Or for a much more recent reference the 2016 cowboys, Prescott isnt half the player he was last year without Elliot and a lot of teams have taken notice.

Its why there is a bidding war for Fournette, do you think teams would be considering throwing away their entire draft for something that doesn't work? hardly, if anything I consider a solid running game a much more predicable and reliable method of QB protection.

You don't even have to go that far.  Look at our SB season.  100+ yards rushing in every single game except the SB hence why we lost.  Our running game is critical to running the play action plays that Cam is so lethal with. 

[Ace_Aladdin]

6 hours ago, AU-panther said:

I really wasn't trying to compare us to the Patriots, it was more of a reference to this idea that you protect your QB more by running the ball.

You protect your QB by staying out of predictable throwing situations.  I have this fear that if we draft Fournette we will become more conservative and predictable.

 

 

IMO garbage post 

 

 

If you can run the ball consistently it opens up the passing game. So when defense is tired of tackling Fournette & J-Stew, they will use 8 man box leaving yours truly  Olsen a 3x 1,000YD TE open  or one of these fellows  KB , Funchess, Byrd.

 

[t96]

7 hours ago, Kevin Greene said:

Life post selecting Leonard Fournette #8, #2 or wherever it may be. 

What does Shula do calling plays Sunday? Even more Read Option plays for Cam and the new RB than in past years?

Can Shula resist the temptation to beat his opponents Sundays not by play design but based on the belief physically his players are superior to the defense? The toll on Cam Newton be damned? 

Could Leonard Fournette be the worst possible pick for Cam Newton's longevity moving forward?

Ideally more of Cam under center and a more traditional power offense with the H-back spot filled again or using a rookie FB or Young as a lead blocker. No read option any more. Cam's only running should be the occasional short yardage situation in a key moment and scrambling when the protection breaks down, WRs aren't getting open, or something just opens up for Cam. Want to see 2013 Cam running again, NOT 2015 where we just ran him like a fullback for 10+ plays a game. Can't do that with your franchise QB.

[electro's horse]

I'd be much more comfortable with Fournette irt trying to keep Cam alive than McAffery. Or OJ Howard for that matter.

Fournette could be a workhorse. McAffery is basically a guarantee they're going to keep running gimmick crap that gets Cam killed

[t96]

1 minute ago, electro's horse said:

I'd be much more comfortable with Fournette irt trying to keep Cam alive than McAffery. Or OJ Howard for that matter.

Fournette could be a workhorse. McAffery is basically a guarantee they're going to keep running gimmick crap that gets Cam killed

I understand that McC is an electric player and could certainly help our offense. But I find it ridiculous that people try to justify taking him by saying it'd take the pressure off of Cam. It would do the exact opposite, and put MORE pressure on Cam in the run game. Fournette could carry the load of a run game and take it off of Cam's shoulders completely. McC would put even more of the run game on Cam's plate, which would be very bad in my opinion. Take him at solid value and use him a certain way, and I'm fine with him. But not even close to at 8. And don't pretend that he'll actually help take the offense off of Cam's shoulders much, because he wouldn't. Fournette would.

[yasuhara2241]

I understand this is a passing league but we are a running team. The Panthers always have done well when Cam throws less than 25 times a game. Fournette gives us the opportunity to set up the play action passes which Cam does well and sets up the long ball which he also does well.

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[L-TownCat]

I've been saving my $100 NFL gift cert just for the draft.

 

I would break my phone trying to order a LF jersey.  Can't think of anyone else I'd rather have.

[tiger7_88]

7 hours ago, AU-panther said:

You protect your QB by staying out of predictable throwing situations.  I have this fear that if we draft Fournette we will become more conservative and predictable.

My only response to what you just said is this:  Mike Shula is our offensive coordinator.  What do YOU think his response will be to drafting a nice, shiny new running back?

I've said this before, I'll say it again: I cannot comprehend the logical disconnect being experienced right now by the subset of known Shula critics that I easily recognize that are also incredibly eager to draft Leonard Fournette.

[panthers55]

Given Shula successfully revamped the whole run game in 2015 to make up for losing Benjamin, I think he can surely incorporate a power running game into the offense given that is his more familiar formation. The read option he learned from Chud. That is not his preferred setup. He is doing it for Cam's benefit since what we play is designed for what Cam is most used to running. Since the refs made it open headhunting season on Cam, it will be easy to go back to a power running scheme

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[tiger7_88]

2 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Given Shula successfully revamped the whole run game in 2015 to make up for losing Benjamin, I think he can surely incorporate a power running game into the offense given that is his more familiar formation. The read option he learned from Chud. That is not his preferred setup. He is doing it for Cam's benefit since what we play is designed for what Cam is most used to running. Since the refs made it open headhunting season on Cam, it will be easy to go back to a power running scheme

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So what you're saying is that Shula will be re-introducing the kind of offense for which he experienced so much success earlier in his career?

:P

[Ace_Aladdin]

2 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

So what you're saying is that Shula will be re-introducing the kind of offense for which he experienced so much success earlier in his career?

:P

I'll put $100 that Panthers will have top 10 offense this season.

[d-dave]

42 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

My only response to what you just said is this:  Mike Shula is our offensive coordinator.  What do YOU think his response will be to drafting a nice, shiny new running back?

I've said this before, I'll say it again: I cannot comprehend the logical disconnect being experienced right now by the subset of known Shula critics that I easily recognize that are also incredibly eager to draft Leonard Fournette.

You know, I'd like to think that Shula would use his experience to evolve the running game, like he did when he took over.  We need a quality RB, and Fournette is considered very widely to be the best of the best at the RB position.

Let's also think of things in terms of self-preservation from Shula's perspective.  So since the end of the season, the word from the team is EVOLUTION in regards to our offense.  Not necessarily a reinvention (go Patriots Style Spread!), but rather modifying the offense to be more successful.  Rivera put himself on the line for Shula and Dorsey.  If the offense goes sideways, then all three (plus some) will be gone.  So Shula is not only calling plays for his own job, but for two other guys, one who stuck his neck out for you.  

I think there is a pretty high incentive for Shula, Dorsey and Rivera to fix the problems with our offense, to protect Cam from getting beaten to a bloody pulp, and field a successful team.  The stakes are very high this season.  Therefore, if we draft Fournette, I'm pretty sure we're going to run the ball 25-30 times a game with him and Stewart, keeping guys fresh and see a return of the two men wrecking crew.  Except that we're going to line up and thump you for 60 minutes a game.  That is going to wear some teams out.

If not, there is going to be a rather HUGE change for our team in 2018.

[joemac]

13 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

So what you're saying is that Shula will be re-introducing the kind of offense for which he experienced so much success earlier in his career?

:P

That actually would work out great I think. Shula never had Cam Newton and Leonard Fournette when he was running that kind of offense. It was who, Brad Johnson and Mike Alstot? Warrick Dunn?