Repeat after me: Don't sleep on Chris Godwin! Consider Reception Perception

[LinvilleGorge]

I just want WRs who can actually run routes and consistently catch balls. That's why I like both Jones and Godwin. I just happen to like Jones more.

[top dawg]

5 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

The irony is @GoobyPls's quote:

"Not Goodwin who for the most part is a possession WR."

He had 4.42 speed first of all, so it exists.

And secondly, our biggest argued need all over the board was the necessity for us to pick up a possession WR who is reliable. Far more so than a need for a deep threat.

That 4.42 speed is what I'm talking about.  He may not have that in pads---almost assuredly does not---but he's plenty fast enough to go deep or otherwise.  That's my main issue with @GoobyPls. I don't know where Goodwin ranked, but he has to be one of the faster receivers in this draft class.

As for the deep threat, I think that people may be under the impression that it's a higher priority now due to the loss of Ginn.  My thing is that the receiving group, for all it's purported potential, has big question marks, and could always stand a sure-handed guy that can realistically play all three positions.  The Panthers have tried to varying degrees to have KB and Funchess play those roles, but they really haven't shown that they can be that guy (in part, seemingly due to the inability to get consistent separation). I'm pretty sure that guy is coming in this draft.  I hope that it's Godwin  or Henderson.  I'm pretty sure Zay Jones may be able to do it, but he seems to be more of that quintessential possession guy that Goobs is referring to, but he has the same amount of speed as Godwin and Henderson, so apparently the low to mid 4.4s must be good enough or Gettleman.  Simple possession guys tend to be slower than that, but if you look at three out of four higher profile receivers that we brought in, only John Ross was a speed demon.  That would tend to make me believe that they're not pressed about having someone as fast as butter fingers Ginn, but someone who has good speed with good hands, good potential, and the ability to separate to make some plays. 

[LinvilleGorge]

Sub-4.5 is fast, period. OBJ ran a 4.43. Antonio Brown ran a 4.47. Plus, acceleration and change of direction skills mean more than pure straight line speed anyway. It's not very often that a football player runs 40 yards in a straight line and even when they do, that 4.3 guy isn't going to gain more than two or three steps on that 4.4 guy anyway. You won't see 4.4 guys chased down from behind very often.

[Cpt slay a ho]

Separation>speed imo


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[GoobyPls]

5 hours ago, top dawg said:

Did you not read the article at all? If you did, you wouldn't have spouted off that last sentence.  

"It's not about whose the best..."

Goo by, please!

 

I read it, I also saw him play. Like I said good receiver not the type we need. We have Olsen and Kelvin both who can be possession receivers

[SOJA]

On 4/22/2017 at 8:42 AM, uscgamecocks said:

Matt Harmon is the man.  He's the best WR analyst out there.

If the Panthers never scouted another receiver and just picked Harmon's favorite guy each year we'd be in much better shape.

Allen Robinson and Tyler Lockett were two of his out of consensus calls that have hit big. Godwin and Carlos Henderson are two of his favorites this year.  We have been linked to both, which is encouraging.

Sidenote:  He's also a Panthers fan.

I want Henderson bad 

[GoobyPls]

4 hours ago, top dawg said:

That 4.42 speed is what I'm talking about.  He may not have that in pads---almost assuredly does not---but he's plenty fast enough to go deep or otherwise.  That's my main issue with @GoobyPls. I don't know where Goodwin ranked, but he has to be one of the faster receivers in this draft class.

As for the deep threat, I think that people may be under the impression that it's a higher priority now due to the loss of Ginn.  My thing is that the receiving group, for all it's purported potential, has big question marks, and could always stand a sure-handed guy that can realistically play all three positions.  The Panthers have tried to varying degrees to have KB and Funchess play those roles, but they really haven't shown that they can be that guy (in part, seemingly due to the inability to get consistent separation). I'm pretty sure that guy is coming in this draft.  I hope that it's Godwin  or Henderson.  I'm pretty sure Zay Jones may be able to do it, but he seems to be more of that quintessential possession guy that Goobs is referring to, but he has the same amount of speed as Godwin and Henderson, so apparently the low to mid 4.4s must be good enough or Gettleman.  Simple possession guys tend to be slower than that, but if you look at three out of four higher profile receivers that we brought in, only John Ross was a speed demon.  That would tend to make me believe that they're not pressed about having someone as fast as butter fingers Ginn, but someone who has good speed with good hands, good potential, and the ability to separate to make some plays. 

Nope not a deep threat, sure as sh*t doesn't 4.42 game speed. We have Kelvin who can be a possession guy and finding a receiver to fill that slot role is ten times easier than fining a deep threat. Most slots receivers in the NFL are mid round picks not second rounders. If we have the chance to chose Westbrook or Henderson over Godwin I'm doing I a heartbeat

Again your going off visits no one knows who we are gionna draft, not a single person last season had us picking Bradberry, so stop acting like you know every player that visited

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[GoobyPls]

7 hours ago, AU-panther said:

Do we really have a possession receiver either?  Outside of Olsen does Cam have that sure handed receiver that he can count on when it is third down?

I would be fine with one from each group:

Jones or Godwin

and

Ross, Henderson, Westbrook, or Taylor

I just don't see us drafting 2 receivers in our first 4 picks.

 

We have Kelvin who can still develop into that third down guy.

 

We have no deep threat in our team, without a deep threat will be a repeat of the 2014 season. Where teams were able to bring in a safety completely shutting down our running game and play man to man through out. Westbrook, Ross or Henderson should be our main targets

[top dawg]

2 hours ago, GoobyPls said:

Nope not a deep threat, sure as sh*t doesn't 4.42 game speed. We have Kelvin who can be a possession guy and finding a receiver to fill that slot role is ten times easier than fining a deep threat. Most slots receivers in the NFL are mid round picks not second rounders. If we have the chance to chose Westbrook or Henderson over Godwin I'm doing I a heartbeat

Again your going off visits no one knows who we are gionna draft, not a single person last season had us picking Bradberry, so stop acting like you know every player that visited

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We do know who we visited with. In this day of the Internet and social media, player visits aren't a secret. With that beung said, I suggest that you look at Dave Gettleman's draft history...

Indeed, no one knows who we're going to draft, but his history tells us something. 

Now I don't care if you listen or not. You certainly discounted what I told you about McCaffrey vs. Dalvin Cook---very disrespectfully I might add, but I was 100 percent correct. You can overlook the fact that Gettleman generally sticks to drafting guys that the Panthers have visited with in most rounds, much less the top three if you like, but people who are really paying attention will not. 

It's really not that big of a deal, and at the end of the day it's all guesswork, but most of us find it entertaining to try and read the tea leaves. As opposed to looking at players who haven't been here and spinning my wheels like in year's past, I'm focusing on those that have a connection, and it just so happens that the higher profile receivers that we've had contact with are projected to go on day one or two. Now does this mean we will draft one of them? Nobody knows. There are too many variables and players at other positions to say anything with any surety.

The thing is, you keep saying what you want---what you would do. That's fine. I'm more focused on what I believe Gettleman will do. 

On an off note, the people who were paying attention to visits weren't surprised that we drafted Bradberry, just that we took him in the second. ***winks eye***

 

[*FreeFua*]

Godwin is a tough one to predict.

My pro comp for him is Jermaine Kearse.

Not the fastest guy but works back to the QB well and wins a lot of 50/50 balls. He won't ever "wow" you but he does a lot of things right.

[AU-panther]

2 hours ago, GoobyPls said:

We have Kelvin who can still develop into that third down guy.

 

We have no deep threat in our team, without a deep threat will be a repeat of the 2014 season. Where teams were able to bring in a safety completely shutting down our running game and play man to man through out. Westbrook, Ross or Henderson should be our main targets

Do you really think of KB as that sure handed, runs good routes, possession type third down receiver?

Either way I actually agree with you that our offense needs a deep threat type of receiver.  My point was a receiver like Jones could also fill a role on our offense, all be it a different role than somone like Ross.

Speaking of Ross I don't think he is in play at 8 and he is probably off the board at 40.  Westbrook might not even be on our board so Henderson might be the most likely of those three.  Also I don't see us using 40 on Jones even if he is still there.

I'm thinking 64 or 98 is the most likely spot for WR.  Stewart or Taylor are two others that might be available in that range.

[GoobyPls]

40 minutes ago, top dawg said:

We do know who we visited with. In this day of the Internet and social media, player visits aren't a secret. With that beung said, I suggest that you look at Dave Gettleman's draft history...

Indeed, no one knows who we're going to draft, but his history tells us something. 

Now I don't care if you listen or not. You certainly discounted what I told you about McCaffrey vs. Dalvin Cook---very disrespectfully I might add, but I was 100 percent correct. You can overlook the fact that Gettleman generally sticks to drafting guys that the Panthers have visited with in most rounds, much less the top three if you like, but people who are really paying attention will not. 

It's really not that big of a deal, and at the end of the day it's all guesswork, but most of us find it entertaining to try and read the tea leaves. As opposed to looking at players who haven't been here and spinning my wheels like in year's past, I'm focusing on those that have a connection, and it just so happens that the higher profile receivers that we've had contact with are projected to go on day one or two. Now does this mean we will draft one of them? Nobody knows. There are too many variables and players at other positions to say anything with any surety.

The thing is, you keep saying what you want---what you would do. That's fine. I'm more focused on what I believe Gettleman will do. 

On an off note, the people who were paying attention to visits weren't surprised that we drafted Bradberry, just that we took him in the second. ***winks eye***

 

wrong, they are still many players who visited that no one knows about. Just like Bradberry last year. Which I'm 1000% sure no one knew about. I rechecked every thread on here and every mock draft on the internet not a single person had Bradberry linked to us.

And if your going by visits you can forget Mccafrey since Kamara has visited us more than any other RB , and Njoku over Howard. So pick your poison

[top dawg]

18 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

wrong, they are still many players who visited that no one knows about. Just like Bradberry last year. Which I'm 1000% sure no one knew about. I rechecked every thread on here and every mock draft on the internet not a single person had Bradberry linked to us.

And if your going by visits you can forget Mccafrey since Kamara has visited us more than any other RB , and Njoku over Howard. So pick your poison

You're so wrong, yet again, but don't let that stop you. Dig in in your wrongness like you always do. 

http://www.carpanthersnews.com/list-2016-pre-draft-visits-and-workouts/

You're getting visits confused with number of visits. That's an argument that no one has made. By that logic, Kamara would be picked over Fournette, and we all know that's not happening.

Like I said, dig in. Don't let facts change your mind.

[top dawg]

32 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

wrong, they are still many players who visited that no one knows about. Just like Bradberry last year. Which I'm 1000% sure no one knew about. I rechecked every thread on here and every mock draft on the internet not a single person had Bradberry linked to us.

And if your going by visits you can forget Mccafrey since Kamara has visited us more than any other RB , and Njoku over Howard. So pick your poison

And just in case your head is too hard @GoobyPls, here is another one to spell it out for you.

 The Panthers were the only team to work out Bradberry after he had a strong showing in the Senior Bowl, and many people didn’t expect him to go until Day three. Gettleman obviously saw something in him that other teams didn’t, however, and snagged the small-school corner with the No. 62 pick. 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/isportsweb.com/2016/04/30/carolina-panthers-second-third-round-analysis/amp/