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The Next Head Coach

Mr. Scot

By Mr. Scot,
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I think the Steelers draft brilliantly, which happens because they scout brilliantly. Add in that they plan ahead brilliantly when it comes to managing player contracts. Hence, their ability to simply "reload".

Cowher was a good coach. I'd never deny that. What I think a lot of folks miss though is how much symbiosis that happens between coaches and systems, or coaches and quarterbacks.

How good was Belichick without Brady?

How good was Shanahan without Elway?

How good was Seifert without the 49ers system? (something which the salary cap eventually destroyed, of course)

Is Tony Sparano really that good, or does having Bill Parcells upstairs mean a lot?

You have to view these guys in context, and that's what I fear a lot of people miss.

I agree.

Lets add Sean Peyton & Drew brees on that list as well.

Let me ask you this Mr. Scott , in your opinion do believe Cowher would have that symbiosis with Carolina, and lets say he just wants to coach NO GM garbage, would a Cowher/Hurney/Delhomme marriage work? is he a "Richardson Guy" & i know there are alot of questions about Delhomme/hurney but basically do you think he could have success here?

Here's the big question I keep coming back to. Why isn't he head coach of the Raiders?

Seriously, losing out to Tom Cable? Why?

(and yeah I know it's the Raiders, but it's a valid question)

For that matter, why isn't he a head coach elsewhere? It's not like other teams had to wait to interview him because he had to coach in

I don't know, I do know that Ryan was a AL Davis guy, Kiffin was the one that was trying to fire Ryan but AL kept him on.

What was said out here was when kiffin was fired Davis didn't want to shake up the defense by promoting Ryan, the D was one of the strong points of that team so he went with Cable, I don't know Al Davis Logic I guess

Those Ryan Defenses were great against the pass but couldn't stop the run for sh*t they were beyond atrocious against the run & whatever he is trying to do in Cleveland right now don't seem to be working.

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I agree.

Lets add Sean Peyton & Drew brees on that list as well.

Let me ask you this Mr. Scott, in your opinion do believe Cowher would have that symbiosis with Carolina, and lets say he just wants to coach NO GM garbage, would a Cowher/Hurney/Delhomme marriage work? is he a "Richardson Guy" & i know there are alot of questions about Delhomme/hurney but basically do you think he could have success here?

I don't see "Cowher/Hurney" as an option honestly. I think if Fox is out Hurney is probably sent packing with him. They were anointed together, and they'll be removed together.

JRamsey floated the notion of Steelers college scouting coordinator Ron Hughes as a GM candidate. I've been meaning to research the GM ideas further. It's possible that could be a better method for tapping into the "Steeler system" than getting Cowher.

I don't know, I do know that Ryan was a AL Davis guy, Kiffin was the one that was trying to fire Ryan but AL kept him on.

What was said out here was when kiffin was fired Davis didn't want to shake up the defense by promoting Ryan, the D was one of the strong points of that team so he went with Cable, I don't know Al Davis Logic I guess

Those Ryan Defenses were great against the pass but couldn't stop the run for sh*t they were beyond atrocious against the run & whatever he is trying to do in Cleveland right now don't seem to be working.

Valid. How much of that do you put on "Mangenius" though?

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I don't see "Cowher/Hurney" as an option honestly. I think if Fox is out Hurney is probably sent packing with him. They were anointed together, and they'll be removed together.

JRamsey floated the notion of Steelers college scouting coordinator Ron Hughes as a GM candidate. I've been meaning to research the GM ideas further. It's possible that could be a better method for tapping into the "Steeler system" than getting Cowher.

Valid. How much of that do you put on "Mangenius" though?

Hmmm Ron Hughes, Intriguing

Yeah talk about a lack of symbiosis, what a mess Cleveland is

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You know what I really, really hate to admit?

When you look at the pure numbers (excluding this year) Fox actually stacks up pretty good against a fair share of the bigger name candidates out there. And while he's not as young as some of the most recent guys, he's younger than or on par with a lot of the retreads.

After the initial rebuilding year in which he took a team that was 1-15 to within a shade of the playoffs, he's gone to the playoffs in three of his six years. That includes two championship game appearances and a Super Bowl appearance. He's never been more than a game under 500 on a season (granted that could change this year). And throw in that he has a winning record in the postseason at 5-3, a record which could be even better if not for a QB meltdown last year.

Now that doesn't mean I definitely want to keep him, mind you. I'm very iffy on that for a lot of reasons.

But what it does mean is that if he is let go, he'll look pretty good to a team looking for a coaching replacement. It's no stretch to believe he'll get another head coaching job right off the bat.

Here's a thought. Suppose Jerry Jones fires Wade Phillips but can't lure Shanahan or Holmgren, and then either he decides Jason Garrett isn't ready or Garrett chooses to amscray. In that scenario, Fox could become an attractive candidate to be the next Cowboys head coach :eek:

If that happened, and he was successful there, I'd vomit.

(repeatedly) :puke:

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As you can tell from my sig I really like K. Butler and think he is the closest thing to Dick Lebuea (Defensive Mastermind) we will be able to get. I would rather him as DC but in order to get him here I think we would have to let him run the whole show. I would love him as our HC and maybe bring in Brian Billick as OC (that is of course if he doesn't get a HC job) or some other offensive coordinator that has HC experience to ease Butler into that job and not have him take on to much to quick. Let him focus on transtioning this D then he can learn the details that a HC needs.

I think this is our best option. He brings youth, exuberance, and one hell of a D scheme (Look back at the Steelers the last 7 years). He helped turn Harrison a Undrafted Rookie into one of the Best LB's in the league.

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I would hire Jason Garrett myself. Let him pull a Sean Payton up here, and laugh at the people who discover Delhomme can be a good QB after all. Do you all remember Brees' numbers BEFORE he got to New Orleans? Lifetime record of .500 and a rating of 84.9, with one good season out of three under his belt. Look at him in Payton's system. Garrett could do that here.

If I went that route, I would have one caveat. I would tell him that he needs to give the DC autonomy and go find the most aggressive, attacking bastard I could. I'm talking Kevin Greene here--someone who probably thinks he could still play and doesn't mind telling you. Hire someone like that and turn him loose. Accept that you'll give up big plays, in return you can get a lot of excitement and big plays of your own.

That's the formula of the future. For the last decade it's all been about defensive minds. Everything runs in cycles though, and I think it's about to swing in the other direction. Get out in front of the curve and put an entertaining product on the field.

It can't hurt, can it?

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