Fox 2009 vs. Seifert 2001

[jpo287]

I was looking at the Footballoutsiders.com and after 3 weeks, the Panthers rank 31st overall. They rank 31st on offense, 26th on defense and 31st on ST. Only Cleavland is playing worse than the Panthers right now. That got me thinking so I looked up the rankings for 2001-Seifert's last year.

They were ranked 26th overall: 31st on offense, 21st on defense and 3rd on ST. Numerically the numbers are:

-------------Total---OFF--DEF---ST

Fox 2009 -29.5, -34.6, 23.6, -7.9

Seifert 2001 -25.5, -29.6, -.09, 4.6

(Offensively, positive numbers are better; defensively, negative numbers are better; ST, positive is better)

So what does this mean--it means Seiferts 1-15 Panthers from 01 would more than likely beat Fox's 0-3 Panthers if they played today.

Of course these are just numbers but they do give an indication of just how badly the Panthers are playing right now.

[raleigh-panther]

This is what we fans have sunk to...comparing John Fox to George Siefert.

Sad.

Some folk on those board don't think JR will pull the trigger. I think if the Panthers are 8-8 or worse, Fox is gone. Siefert sucked the life blood out of the fan base and Fox/Hurney are on their ways.

Siefert won SBs, Fox never has.

[cptx]

i just wish fox's only win this season woulda been against the cowboys.

[jpo287]

This is what we fans have sunk to...comparing John Fox to George Siefert.

Actually, I only compared the 2001 team standings to the 2009 standings. As much as I am disappointed with the season, I still have an immense amount of respect for Fox and would never compare him to Seifert.

There is no doubt that the Panther's best years have been under Fox. He took the franchise from a state of ridicule to one of respectability. And regardless of how disappointing the season winds up, I will always have nothing but the utmost respect for him.

[CharlotteBeer.com]

Panthers are also tied with the Buccaneers for the second worst point differential in the league with -50. Only Cleveland is worse with -66.

[2plankingpanther]

As pissed as I am w/Fox,he will never be as bad as Seifert,remember he cut Buerline to make room for Jeff(suckass)Lewis!

[dpanthersman]

after seifert was let go i remember Richardson saying something in the press conference about how the team had lost its fire (not sure if that's the exact quote) and he hoped a change would give them a spark.

looking at this team so far. it seems the same thing may have happened again. i have a ton of respect for fox and I'm willing to bet hell have no trouble finding a new hc job. but i just dont think the team is buying into what hes selling anymore.

i realize a overhaul of the coaching staff isn't always the answer. and can set a team back. but it in this situation i feel its needed. this team needs a new attitude. someone to re-light the fire. and IMO a new coach with new ideas is what its gonna take.

[beardosaurus]

i just wish fox's only win this season woulda been against the cowboys.

It is what it is.

[BigE]

i just wish fox's only win this season woulda been against the cowboys.

That's what I said last night before the game, I guess now I want that win to come against the Saints.

[Stroupe-a-loop]

As pissed as I am w/Fox,he will never be as bad as Seifert,remember he cut Buerline to make room for Jeff(suckass)Lewis!

Yeah that was probably not the greatest move in franchise history.

[ladypanther]

Stats are for losers. Oops.

[JJT]

Does anyone else think that the reason Fox lost all that weight is because he's getting some on the side and is distracted?

[PeteRozelle]

Wondering what everyone is thinking now.... a year+ later

Fox 2010 Panthers vs Seifert 2001 Panthers???

To me, 2001 was a far better team, and probably one of the reasons why Fox turned the team around so quickly!

[Fox007]

John Fox will leave this team just the way he found it.

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