Belichick just makes smart moves.

[My Goodness My Guinness]

11 hours ago, top dawg said:

I was rolling my eyes and shaking my head when I heard that Billy B had essentially poached Chris Hogan from the Bills last year when they refused to match the Pats' offer sheet to the sneakily efficient receiver last year. Somehow I knew that he could play a key role in helping the Pats to remain dominant.

Now, we have this year, and Billy B is at it again. This time he has the sneakily efficient Mike Gillislee in his cross hairs. The Bills are possible victims yet again. How can they possibly justify matching the Pat's offer.

"The Patriots extended a two-year, $6.4 million offer sheet to Bills running back Mike Gillislee, NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported, via a source informed of the situation. The offer includes $4 million in the first year."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000800718/article/patriots-extend-offer-sheet-to-bills-rb-mike-gillislee

Yeah, the hapless Bills are likely going to lose their beast of a backup, and Gillislee will victimize the rest of the league as a perfect complementary piece to the Patriots sneaky good RB stable which already has James White, Dion Lewis and another guy that had me shaking my head in Rex Burkhead. 

Bill Belichick understands team chemistry, architecture and the blueprint for success better than anyone else by a mile. He makes largely great moves, and doesn't break the bank doing it. I fancy Dave Gettleman doing the same thing, but Belichick has  PhD and G-man is still trying to get his diploma. 

I hope he's studying Belichick very closely.

Lol because G-man has NEVER poached other teams scraps that turn into quality players. 

[imminent rogaine]

Chris Hogan is trash. The pats would have been unstoppable if he caught half of the balls that he should have. He is like a homeless guy's version of Ted Ginn. Seeing Chris Hogan on an NFL roster makes me kick myself for not playing football.

Gillislee, on the other hand, shows more promise. I think he might actually be one of those guys we see being a solid player for a long time.
The real gem would have been Karlos Williams if his fat ass could have stayed in shape.

Edit: apparently Karlos is a free agent as of about a month ago. Probably not worth a contract but he has certainly shown flashes of being a starter in the NFL.

[JARROD]

The Patriots are just great in getting every player they have to be able to jump in a game and make a difference-- 2 years ago when the Broncos beat them to play us, they got there with tightends playing offensive line and practice squad guys having to play from injuries-- just amazing they can do that--- guys like Edelman that wouldnt play too much for other teams play like stars--

The Steelers were the next closest team to that they just didnt have a coach that is also a CLOSER and gets it done in Superbowl as often--

We need that here-- if you want a perennial playoff team that makes repeated superbowl appearances, we must bring that to Carolina.

[top dawg]

1 hour ago, My Goodness My Guinness said:

Lol because G-man has NEVER poached other teams scraps that turn into quality players. 

Neither Hogan or Gillislee are "scraps." Far from it. You've totally missed the point.

[My Goodness My Guinness]

1 hour ago, top dawg said:

Neither Hogan or Gillislee are "scraps." Far from it. You've totally missed the point.

Maybe you don't consider them scraps, but they are on the same level as Tolbert, Mike Mitchell, Coleman, and Ginn in their respective careers. You may use age as a difference in this comparison but they have nonetheless been productive. 

[t96]

For every guy they get like Hogan they try and fail with 5 others. Gillislee is a good backup. Same with Burkhead. But I don't think they're worth what the pats are paying them especially both of them when they already have James White, Dion Lewis and could easily bring back Blount who's better than both.

[top dawg]

7 minutes ago, My Goodness My Guinness said:

Maybe you don't consider them scraps, but they are on the same level as Tolbert, Mike Mitchell, Coleman, and Ginn in their respective careers. You may use age as a difference in this comparison but they have nonetheless been productive. 

Not nearly as efficient in my opinion, though decent pickups. FYI, I told people that Coleman may surprise as soon as he was signed. My thing with Gettleman is that he leaves too much meat on the he bone. For example, we should have made a run at Kyle Juszczyk. No reason we shouldn't have landed him.

[My Goodness My Guinness]

58 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Not nearly as efficient in my opinion, though decent pickups. FYI, I told people that Coleman may surprise as soon as he was signed. My thing with Gettleman is that he leaves too much meat on the he bone. For example, we should have made a run at Kyle Juszczyk. No reason we shouldn't have landed him.

This is fine. Just don't act like Gettleman is light-years away from Bill in terms of bringing in talent. Would you have given Juszczyk 5 million per year? Seems like a huge waste considering we ran what like 80% of our plays from shotgun last season and that we have key linemen to resign. 

[Fox007]

You're not gonna get real football talk on here man lol.

Can't say anything real without people bringing up nonsense like we don't have a poo asshole division with two of the worst all time teams in league history.

If the Pats were in this division they'd smack around NO, Tampa, and ATL much worse than we don't cuz we don't even. Then they'd have it tougher in the playoffs though since the NFC is deeper so they'd actually have to battle in some playoff games to get there.

Put us in their division and we do the same as we do now with a good year every other year and make deep runs into the playoffs with easier top end games and get into maybe 1 more SB appearance than we have now only to get smurdered by the Pats again or another good NFC team.

[Billy Love]

The difference is this: New England is consistently good because they are good at evaluated talent, both in the draft and in free agency. They coach their player up and get the most out of them by putting in positions to be successful. They understand CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT and make the effort to see it through. They actually hold each accountable for their own performance and players take ownership of the team. Their coaching staff never stops game planning and making adjustments to, again, put the team in position to be successful. Down 3 to 28 in the 3rd quarter of a super bowl....not one coach or player ever gave up....result = team success. 

 

As as much as I don't like New England, I respect them because I see their consistent success and appreciate the effort required to be that damn successful. 

[panthers55]

Belichick is a very good motivator and very good X and O guy. But his best trait is getting guys to buy into his relentless pursuit of perfection. He is the most driven coach in the NFL. Who else opined the day after winning the Superbowl that while the Superbowl was great, they are five weeks behind in managing the 2017 season.

 

[panthers55]

Plus he is great at taking away what teams do best. They will press our receivers, keep 7 or 8 in the box and dare Cam to throw into tight windows while sending blitzers to pressure him. How do you beat that. Get guys who can beat press coverage, have a solid line and teach Cam to take what they are giving you instead of trying to make something out of nothing. Atlanta had the formula until they self destructed.

 

[Salisburysean98]

9 hours ago, sanjay_rajput said:

Half of Patriots success is being in a  trash division.

Panthers are gonna smack  them around in the upcoming matchup. 

 

Idk me being the realist that I am, I think it'll be a knock down drag out matchup where we need the leg of Gano to win. Hopefully he can come through, either it will go that way or we'll have a ton of injuries/personnel problems and the pats could blow us out. Personnel problems as in lining trai turner up at tackle. 

[top dawg]

2 hours ago, My Goodness My Guinness said:

This is fine. Just don't act like Gettleman is light-years away from Bill in terms of bringing in talent. Would you have given Juszczyk 5 million per year? Seems like a huge waste considering we ran what like 80% of our plays from shotgun last season and that we have key linemen to resign. 

Sure, I have even alluded to the fact that Gettleman was bringing a Pats like vibe to the organization regarding spending smartly. It was me that coined the term "Carolina Culture" as an alternative to the Patriot way. Gettleman could be the closest thing to Belichick, but he is still a far cry away from having a total mastery of team building that Belichick has displayed over the years. That's my opinion.

As for Juice, he would have been my number one target. You speak of the shotgun, but Rivera has alluded to evolution. A new way, perhaps even a return to our roots, is coming. For a team that stands upon the rock of power football, Juice would have been the perfect addition. I mean he is just the number one fullback in the league, and his blocking is a big part of that. His contract is relatively cheap for what he's able to bring to a team that covets a FB like we do.

"And so it’s really a one-year deal worth up to $7.5 million, with a team-held option for each of the next three years. That’s still a great deal for a fullback, but the real guarantee is roughly one third of the much-hyped $21 million contract."

https://www.google.com/amp/profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/03/14/inside-the-kyle-juszczyk-deal/amp/

There have been other times I've raised my eye when seeing how relatively cheap that others have been to acquire talent as well, but I'm not getting into that. I largely support Gettleman, but I don't think that he's perfect, and though I liken him to Belichick lite, I certainly think that he has a way to go before he has a mastery over team building like Belichick. That's not a slight, but a compliment.