Vernon Butler - Luxury pick gone wrong?

[Cpt slay a ho]

Yes and no. 
What you say is generally valid, but what happens, for example, if a 3-tech is the highest rated on the board this year? I doubt you would follow your board in that case. 
I mean the goal is to get as many good players on the field at once, and then to get the depth as good as possible. It would be idiotic to have 3 first-round quality 3-techs on the roster unless you have excellent starters at the other 21 spots. So no, teams should not just follow their board no matter what.

Beat me to it, a draft board shouldn't be a end all be all


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[pantherclaw]

1 minute ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Beat me to it, a draft board shouldn't be a end all be all


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Pretty sure Gettleman gets that. 

 

Call it a hunch.

[ThPantherFan]

Give him time to develop.  Geeez

[Marguide]

1 hour ago, pantherclaw said:

Pretty sure Gettleman gets that. 

 

Call it a hunch.

We were responding to L-TownCat, not Gettleman.

[L-TownCat]

2 hours ago, Marguide said:

Yes and no. 

What you say is generally valid, but what happens, for example, if a 3-tech is the highest rated on the board this year? I doubt you would follow your board in that case. 

I mean the goal is to get as many good players on the field at once, and then to get the depth as good as possible. It would be idiotic to have 3 first-round quality 3-techs on the roster unless you have excellent starters at the other 21 spots. So no, teams should not just follow their board no matter what.

But in the context of the specific situation we are discussing, we didn't have 3 1st round 3-techs and they took the guy on the board they didn't anticipate being available.  

My main point is that the amount of prep and man power behind the 1st round selection of the NFL draft is almost inconceivable.  They aren't going to deviate from the plan.

We as fans can play around with scenarios and what ifs, but these guys are putting their careers at stake every draft.

[L-TownCat]

2 hours ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

If we have two blue chip starters at dt, but a piss poor secondary, Ot, 2nd te, and wr core, let's draft a rotational dt......spin it how you will that wasn't the best decision. Bpa bs needs to die, we saw last year how that played out. You'll get tunnel vision looking into the future and not addressing the needs of the team now.


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That's not spin.  It's logic.

it was a perfect storm last year of hangover, injuries, execution, etc.  

I would be shocked to see that level of dysfunction again this year.  If we stay healthy we're a contender.

[Panthers8969]

to break the trend of shitting all over op then pissing on that then hitting him over the head with a shovel, I don't like this pick. Frankly, I don't see why anyone would right now. Sure its only been a year so its too early to tell if he was a bust or not, but did he add the value a first rounder should for us (when healthy) last year? I wouldn't say so. 

[Cpt slay a ho]

That's not spin.  It's logic.
it was a perfect storm last year of hangover, injuries, execution, etc.  
I would be shocked to see that level of dysfunction again this year.  If we stay healthy we're a contender.

Not saying that was the cause for our season last year. I agree with you in that assessment, just that we are not a team that's stacked at every position we can afford the luxury to draft backups/rotational player. Regardless of what people say, I still believe the pick was kk insurance, in someway.


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[CPantherKing]

Ealy > Butler

That is all you need to know.

The entire 2016 draft is going to be lucky to see the end of their rookie contracts. I expect the same people who defended Ealy will ride Butler for 3+ seasons as a future core player and complain he does not get enough playing time to prove it.

[therealmjl]

6 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

Ealy > Butler

That is all you need to know.

The entire 2016 draft is going to be lucky to see the end of their rookie contracts. I expect the same people who defended Ealy will ride Butler for 3+ seasons as a future core player and complain he does not get enough playing time to prove it.

A Turd > CPantherKing's posts

That is all you need to know.

The entire 2016 draft is going to be lucky to see the end of their rookie contracts. I expect the same people who defended A Turd will ride CPantherKing's posts for 3+ seasons as a future core player and complain he does not get enough playing time to prove it.

[rhyslloyd]

Am I the only one sick of the term "Hog Mollies"?  

[shaqattaq]

16 hours ago, Adb6368 said:

 

I'm not saying Butler isn't going to be good. My perception was that he was drafted in the event that KK walks. If he can play the gap filler than that's fine. However, knowing what we know now, would you have preferred drafting Hunter Henry? Derrick Henry? Strerling Shepherd? Michael Thomas? All of these players went in the second round and would have made HUGE (division altering) contributions to our team. But based on the feedback I'm glad we have a forum of #noregrets

There's a huge difference between wondering if someone is a waste of a pick, as you initially state, and saying that there may have been a better pick. I was on team Henry last preseason, and the kid balled out. I also think that big Vern was a good pick. With him rotating in with KK (and in other packages), both stay fresh and the QB stays pressured. He's not just a give KK a breather guy.

[Craig Pruitt]

12 hours ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Beat me to it, a draft board shouldn't be a end all be all


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I actually agree with you on this statement about 96% of the time. But every once in awhile you hear a draft story from the past that makes you say "Hmmm..."

Years ago I read Tom Landry's biography (or possibly an article on him) right after he was fired by Jerry Jones. He says that they were considering drafting Joe Montana in the 3rd round of the 1979 draft, but the 49er's beat them to it. I thought it was interesting and just filed it away in the back of my head.

Not too long ago the NFL Network aired a 2 part documentary called "A Tale of Two Cities" which chronicled the history of the Cowboy/49er rivalry from 1970-1995. The same story mentioned above was explored in more detail.

In 1979 when the Cowboys were up in round 1, Montana was the highest player on their board. They passed. At the time Roger Staubach was still playing at a high level, Danny White was poised to take over when he retired and they had 3rd stringer named Glen Carano (sp?) they apparently liked. They reasoned they didn't want to draft Joe in the 1st round only to cut him. They passed on him in round 2. Then, the FO reasoned if he's there in the 3rd round, take him. Well, we know how that turned out. Walsh picked him in round 3.  Staubach retired at the end of the season. Danny White took over and took the Cowboys to 3 straight NFC title games from 1980-1982)...loosing all 3....the most famous of course was the loss to the 49er's at Candlestick in 1981 with Montana behind center.

Can you imagine how the history of the NFL would have changed had Dallas followed their draft board and picked Montana in the 1st or 2nd round? They may have had the luxury of replacing  Roger Staubach with Joe Montana. Wow...

 

PS--as footnote. Drew Pearson was forced to retire after  a car accident just prior to the 1984 season. The Cowboys needed a replacement. They planned to pick Jerry Rice in 1985 draft. The 49ers traded up one spot ahead of them and snatched him instead. Wow...

[Hogmolliesmaht]

Why do people bother to engage CPK in a debate?