Vernon Butler - Luxury pick gone wrong?

[L-TownCat]

Well, it seems you don't fully grasp the idea of having a stable of premier interior lineman.

2 is what most teams have and they back fill with vets and cast offs only to be played when the starters need a breather.

Our team utilizes a theory that says you have an entire platoon of beastly d-lineman that can rotate in and out situationally so that there is zero drop off or decline as the game wears on.

 

So, all that to say this,

Butler was a good pick and will be a good player.  So stahhhhp it.

[Jon Snow]

56 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

He is, but did we really need to draft TD's replacement 3 years in advance ? Shaq doesn't see enough snaps imo currently(he did last year due to the Luke injury)


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According to Gettleman it takes 3 years for these kids to come into their own because they aren't nfl ready like they were in the past.  So it appears he's playing the long game.

[therealmjl]

8 minutes ago, L-TownCat said:

Well, it seems you don't fully grasp the idea of having a stable of premier interior lineman.

2 is what most teams have and they back fill with vets and cast offs only to be played when the starters need a breather.

Our team utilizes a theory that says you have an entire platoon of beastly d-lineman that can rotate in and out situationally so that there is zero drop off or decline as the game wears on.

 

So, all that to say this,

Butler was a good pick and will be a good player.  So stahhhhp it.

Not pieing this even though I agree and thoroughly enjoyed the post

[L-TownCat]

2 minutes ago, mjligon said:

Not pieing this even though I agree and thoroughly enjoyed the post

Fair enough.

[ColumbusCounty]

22 minutes ago, Bogart said:

According to Gettleman it takes 3 years for these kids to come into their own because they aren't nfl ready like they were in the past.  So it appears he's playing the long game.

Good point ...I didn't think of that, I figured Shaq got drafted because they feared another injury to TD in the meantime. I actually think Cash would fill in quite nice too btw. 

One thing about Carolina since Gman and Rivera... we value guys with versatility for multiple positions... Shaq, Cash, Butler, Coleman, Adams, KK, Funchess (x,y,z), Webb, Tolbert, Colin Jones, etc ...even down to last years draft when Sua Cravens was all over our radar. I'm actually suprised we haven't shown much interest in Jabrill Peppers. It would explain the interest in Christian Mac and Curtis Samuel.

[LinvilleGorge]

3 hours ago, Chardee MacDennis said:

How would people feel if Butler and #8 were traded for #2, and the Browns took a QB, and Garrett was the pick?

Or, Fournette was the pick if Garrett is off the board?

Would you hate either of those deals or love them?

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Considering that we'd be getting the trade value of the #12 overall pick out of Butler in that trade, yeah sign me up for that! Unfortunately, the Niners would never go for it.

[Cpt slay a ho]

Well, it seems you don't fully grasp the idea of having a stable of premier interior lineman.
2 is what most teams have and they back fill with vets and cast offs only to be played when the starters need a breather.
Our team utilizes a theory that says you have an entire platoon of beastly d-lineman that can rotate in and out situationally so that there is zero drop off or decline as the game wears on.
 
So, all that to say this,
Butler was a good pick and will be a good player.  So stahhhhp it.

I've stated he's a good player, good pick is questionable especially when playing teams that will utilize the no huddle offense(every team in the division, and almost every playoff team from last year) to keep our subs off the field . Other needs are pressing besides rotational players on the d line.


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[Cpt slay a ho]

According to Gettleman it takes 3 years for these kids to come into their own because they aren't nfl ready like they were in the past.  So it appears he's playing the long game.

With defense only? I agree with specialty positions like ot,cb,de, and of course qb but not to sure on Lb, Luke stepped in immediately his first year once beason went down.


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[Lasus83.]

Vernon Butler will be signing his fifth year option at about the same time kawann short becomes expendable from a contract perspective.

All this does is significantly decreased the likelihood that Allen is coming to Carolina

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[csx]

I'll give it a few years before judging

[pantherclaw]

3 hours ago, Adb6368 said:

With the KK signing this week, I want to get everyone's thought on whether this solidifies our 2016 1st round draft pick as a mistake or whether he can be beneficial in other areas. When we originally picked him, I questioned the pick originally but came around to it when I realized that KK would more than likely walk after playing out his contract after the 2016 season. Now that that theory is out the window, I'm left to wonder if the pick was a huge waste of our first round selection last year when looking at the holes in other areas of our roster. He seems to be too big to play DE and not big enough to take over for Star. Is his ceiling KK's breather for the next 5 years? If so, there is no choice but to call this pick a bust, regardless of how good he becomes. There is no way his production in that role can fit his draft position. Thoughts?

I'm sure you've already taken a lot of heat for this ignorant post.

Butler was drafted cause he was BPA. 

He wasn't drafted as insurance to KK (like most assumed). 

He was drafted cause you don't pass on talent. 

 

[L-TownCat]

1 minute ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

I've stated he's a good player, good pick is questionable especially when playing teams that will utilize the no huddle offense(every team in the division, and almost every playoff team from last year) to keep our subs off the field . Other needs are pressing besides rotational players on the d line.


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How else do you suppose we get cheap young playmakers at the DT position?  He was obviously the highest rated player left on the board when they picked. 

Now, this raises an issue.  If he was the highest on the board at the time of our selection(which it was b/c he was drafted), then that would mean you would want them to draft a player from further down the list.  

Do you want the guys in the war room drafting players out of order on the one list they have spent months reaserching and preparing for?  

Or do you want them taking the guy based on the time and effort put in to creating a big board in the first place?

[Marguide]

3 minutes ago, L-TownCat said:

Now, this raises an issue.  If he was the highest on the board at the time of our selection(which it was b/c he was drafted), then that would mean you would want them to draft a player from further down the list.  

Do you want the guys in the war room drafting players out of order on the one list they have spent months reaserching and preparing for?  

Or do you want them taking the guy based on the time and effort put in to creating a big board in the first place?

Yes and no. 

What you say is generally valid, but what happens, for example, if a 3-tech is the highest rated on the board this year? I doubt you would follow your board in that case. 

I mean the goal is to get as many good players on the field at once, and then to get the depth as good as possible. It would be idiotic to have 3 first-round quality 3-techs on the roster unless you have excellent starters at the other 21 spots. So no, teams should not just follow their board no matter what.

[Cpt slay a ho]

How else do you suppose we get cheap young playmakers at the DT position?  He was obviously the highest rated player left on the board when they picked. 
Now, this raises an issue.  If he was the highest on the board at the time of our selection(which it was b/c he was drafted), then that would mean you would want them to draft a player from further down the list.  
Do you want the guys in the war room drafting players out of order on the one list they have spent months reaserching and preparing for?  
Or do you want them taking the guy based on the time and effort put in to creating a big board in the first place?

If we have two blue chip starters at dt, but a piss poor secondary, Ot, 2nd te, and wr core, let's draft a rotational dt......spin it how you will that wasn't the best decision. Bpa bs needs to die, we saw last year how that played out. You'll get tunnel vision looking into the future and not addressing the needs of the team now.


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