How early would you draft players with injury/character issues?

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, yasuhara2241 said:

It's a fine line that's for sure. Daryl Worley was drafted by us after being arrested for domestic violence and pleading no contest. Nobody really has given two shits about it since he was drafted. Now the same people who don't care about Worley would never draft players with a DV record. Personally, I would keep Robinson on the board and take off Cook, Mixon and Westbrook. I just don't want the scrutiny bc they are higher profile players and their situations would be talked about constantly. 

I wasn't a fan at all of the Worley pick until more details emerged about his situation.

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I wasn't a fan at all of the Worley pick until more details emerged about his situation.

  Exactly. All DV issues are not the same. 

[stirs]

Depend on the injury

Most come back from achilles pretty well, knees are a crap shoot

Character issues might be even harder to fix

[yasuhara2241]

  Exactly. All DV issues are not the same. 

Also I misspoke it wasn't DV, it was assault against a female.

But I agree we can't put everybody in the same boat

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[top dawg]

4 minutes ago, yasuhara2241 said:

It's a fine line that's for sure. Daryl Worley was drafted by us after being arrested for domestic violence and pleading no contest. Nobody really has given two shits about it since he was drafted. Now the same people who don't care about Worley would never draft players with a DV record. Personally, I would keep Robinson on the board and take off Cook, Mixon and Westbrook. I just don't want the scrutiny bc they are higher profile players and their situations would be talked about constantly. 

If I were in a decision-making capacity, I wouldn't be overly concerned with the scrutiny, as I would always frame it in whatever way that the specific situation warrants. As long as I've done the homework and had some personal time with the prospect that included some real talk, I'd just be brutally honest with everyone as to why I picked the player, and why I think that he won't be a future problem, and what will happen if he does cross the line. America believes in redemption unless the crime committed is just so heinous that it goes way beyond the pale of social norms. A pattern of unacceptable behavior disturbs me the most though. It's a harbinger of bad character.

[Shocker]

21 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I think that Robinson's and Mixon's character concerns are overblown. Unlike Westbrook and Cook, they don't have a history. I feel that that matters, and I feel that it should matter to everyone. But...we all have our lines in the sand.

What if that young lady was your daughter?  Overblown then?  Also, is it typical for most folks to ride around with illegial drugs and pistols?  

[Kakarot]

I won't lie...Cook's friends would scare me a tad. That, mixed with some of his past run ins with the law would have me hesitant on pulling the trigger. He would still be on my board, though.

[top dawg]

41 minutes ago, Shocker said:

What if that young lady was your daughter?  Overblown then?  Also, is it typical for most folks to ride around with illegial drugs and pistols?  

Plenty of respectable American blue bloods have done pot, so let's get that out of the way. I doubt that "most folks" have ever smoked, much less pot, but in the grand scheme of things, it is arguably better than nicotine or alcohol. It's certainly no worse. Plenty of "law abiding" citizens, especially around these parts, put prohibition in it's proper perspective, and that's why it no longer exists.

As for illegal guns, of course most people don't ride around with them, but there are large subcultures within this country where it's unfortunately a part of life. If you are an ignorant kid who comes from a place where that's what you know, and that's what you think you need to protect yourself, and for whatever reasons you think that you can't obtain a gun legally (or maybe it just didn't cross your mind as a matter of course), then you do what you feel you need to do to protect yourself. I'm not saying it's right, but it is what it is. Sometimes forces start working against you as soon as you come out of the womb. 

If my daughter were stupid enough to get all up into a man's face and actually physically assault his body, amid just acting ugly and throwing around insults (possibly of a racial nature), no, I wouldn't want a guy to knock her out, but I would understand how it happened. I wouldn't like it at all, but after analyzing the situation and determining that the guy didn't have a history of violence, and was actually known as a pretty good guy, I'd just have to let it go. I'd probably beseech my daughter to keep herself out of that situation in the future, much less egg it on. The girl was NOT innocent here, regardless if she naturally got the worst of it. Even when you're a woman, sometimes if you act like an ass, you're going to get more than you bargain for, especially if you buck up against the wrong woman, much less a man. A lot of times, bad behavior begets even worse bad behavior.

 

Like I said, in both instances, there is no history of either being reprobates. Both were stupid, but one was heat of the moment and hadn't happened up until that point, or since. Even high character guys can have a moment given the right (wrong) situation.

 

[juliosantos]

wish we would take cook in the 2nd. imagine oj howard and then cook 

[GoobyPls]

Cook 1st

Westbrook 2nd

 

If Tampa drafts these guys they will torture us for the next 4 years.

[Cpt slay a ho]

Ross:18-32 1st rd-2nd round
Sidney Jones: Late 4th-5th rd
Jake Butt: 4th-5th rd
Cook: Late 1st-2nd rd
Westbrook: late 3rd-4th rd
Mixon: early 2nd- 3rd rd
Cam Robinson: late 1st-2nd rd

Some of these issue are being overblown, I think cook and mixon are a victim of that, maybe even Robinson as well.



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[yasuhara2241]

53 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Ross:18-32 1st rd-2nd round
Sidney Jones: Late 4th-5th rd
Jake Butt: 4th-5th rd
Cook: Late 1st-2nd rd
Westbrook: late 3rd-4th rd
Mixon: early 2nd- 3rd rd
Cam Robinson: late 1st-2nd rd

Some of these issue are being overblown, I think cook and mixon are a victim of that, maybe even Robinson as well.



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Understand your thinking. I would probably be a little cautious. 

Ross: 12+. I really like him and think he could be special. I am not too concerned about injuries because we have drafted guys who haven't had injury problems before and all of a sudden they have injuries. Injuries are a crap shoot.

Sidney Jones: I would go probably with 3rd comp or 4th, preferably 4th depending on who is available in the 3rd.

Butt: 4th at the earliest.

Cook: 2nd

Westbrook and Mixon: Off board

Cam: Late first - 2nd   

[panthers55]

 Injury is easy. If the doctors clear him when he visits, put him on the list of eligible guys.  If a guy like Ross can run a 4.3 with bad knees how hurt can he be?

If it is character issues you have to look at a decision tree.  Is he remorseful and contrite? If so let's look at any consistent patterns of problematic conduct. If you aren't remorseful. Thank you for playing but no thank you. If this was a single incidence and didn't include domestic violence, sexual assault or murder etc. 

Then you have to look at their judgement and decision-making. If they check out then look at a risk talent analysis. But you can't fix stupid and don't want to if you can help it.

[@bonafidebanter]

4th round