"McCaffery at 8 would be a reach and waste of a pick."

[micnificent28]

I can't say enough that he is a 202 pound utility player. not a full time  take over for stew after hes gone guy. He is a luxury pick one we can't afford at HB right now. as much of a good player he is he probably can only take 10 carries a game at HB with some slot mixed in. I dont want that at number 8.

[SOJA]

The best part of this thread is Rags defending his girlfriend 

[LordOfDaWingz]

I think it's crazy that people actually think 1 player is going to evolve the offense. Usually it's the Qb that has that type of influence/power. 

[panther4life]

On 4/13/2017 at 2:51 PM, Rags said:

I've seen this line of thought from quite a few Huddlers. And as someone who felt the same way until very recently, I get it. But I realized how wrong that was and how he would evolve our offense. Let me try to reason with you.

McCaffery is talented. And as far as HBs go I'd say he's as solid as any HB you could take in the past few drafts. He's fast, elusive and has some strength. Not only is he a threat out of the backfield as a receiving talent, which that alone makes him insanely valuable, he's a very good slot WR. In the same vein Howard would boost our offense and give us another face, McCaffery can do that too. To add on, the addition of a lethal screen game (Should Shula remember that's a play) would take a lot off our O-line and tackles which have a lot of question marks right now.

The best part about this is, at least for the coming season, we'll have JStew with MxCaffery if he's the pick. Cam, Stew and McCaffery in the pistol would give offenses headaches. Pitches, screens, misdirections. Not to mention Cam could easily audible for a must match and kick McCaffery out to the slot. The possibilities are amazing. 

Finally, let's look at SB51. Look at what killed the Falcons. James White, the receiving HB, Killed the Falcons all day. This Thus as a weakness which is now known about the Falcons, and while they are likely to address and help the team to try to fix that, this is something that a team that has to play then twice a year has to have noticed. Also dont forget the Falcons lost a 25 point lead.

All this coupled with he's an amazingly talented runner, the case is very strong for him at 8. And if things shake up a certain way two weeks from now, dont be surprised if McCaffery is the newest Carolina Panther.

I just watched 4 games from 2016 of McCaffrey (VS. Washington,Arizona,Oregon and USC)

These are just my thoughts and personal opinions after doing so. If anyone has time and wants to debate my thought's here is the link to his games. http://draftbreakdown.com/video/christian-mccaffrey-vs-cal-2016/

 Thing's I noticed that did not meet the narrative I have read about him. (4 game sample).

-- He's not one of the best slot receivers in this draft class.While he does motion out to the slot at times, he does not run a full route tree from there or more routes than any other RB who motions out wide. He mainly hangs back for screen plays or crossing routes or emergency outlet for a quick dump off. Amazed that so many think he's some excellent pass catcher. I even went back and watched  2016 highlight videos. I saw a couple wheel routes from the RB position and maybe a slant here or there but nothing that screams this guy is a monster slot receiver. 

--On here or twitter one, I saw a stat about RB's against 8 in the Box and how he faced 8 or more defenders in the box quite often and still had success. In the 4 games I just watched I believe he was able to break 2 maybe even a three long TD's against a stacked box. Well he also had a jumbo package of blockers out there every time I saw 8 in the box. It seemed by design by Stanford''s OC to draw everyone up to the line, because if there blockers won then it would spring McCaffrey for an uncontested sprint to the end zone. This is precisely what happened each time he broke one of those long ones.  This jumbo package with only one WR out wide and the rest being blockers for McCaffrey seemed to be a staple of Stanford's offense. I also noticed a handful of Wildcat plays to achieve the same results.  Multiple times where I saw at least 7 players dedicated to blocking for him and up to 9 multiple times as well. 

-- I don't think he is big enough to be a reliable blocker in passing situations in the NFL. Not a matter of will, because he's a football player and not afraid to at least try. Again 4 game sample size and he was rarely asked to block in those 4 games.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Nails]

On 4/13/2017 at 7:24 PM, steven8989 said:

NOBODY WANTS BARNETT!!!!

Sent using the amazing CarolinaHuddle mobile app
 

Ha!  Struck a nerve eh?

Speaking of SB 51, how do we prevent a repeat in SB 52?  The same way the Giants did twice-by spelling our old, perhaps dare I even say decrepit DE's in their 19th game of the year with a young stud pass rusher and not allowing a 40 year old GOAT statue shred us to tears.

[panther4life]

On 4/13/2017 at 3:03 PM, Saca312 said:

I'll always go to this argument for him: name me another prospect like McCaffrey that plays RB, return man, and slot receiver at an elite level like he does?

 

Can you please show me some evidence of him playing as an elite slot receiver?

[panther4life]

On 4/13/2017 at 3:27 PM, nctarheel0619 said:

Disagree, as an OC you have to gameplan, and Shula kept calling long developing passing plays.  

I can see you why this is your thought process, however its just a myth. There are almost always quick outlets for Cam on passing plays. He's just a gamer and looks for the big play before settling for a dump off.

[panther4life]

On 4/13/2017 at 3:34 PM, Gin and Juice said:

 We would be getting the Best WR and arguably 3rd best running back in one player. 

Can you go into further detail as to why you think he's the best WR in this class? 

[DeeJay]

On 4/13/2017 at 0:55 PM, Rags said:

Also big shout outs to Goodell for scheduling the NFL Draft on my Girlfriends birthday and she has no interest in sports 

 

fug you pal.

Yeah Goodell can get punched in the dick

[panther4life]

On 4/14/2017 at 10:17 AM, yasuhara2241 said:

Don't consider myself a Shula hater, but it is my fear as well. I like CM but Shula has been very predictable with his offensive play calls. In 2015 we had success due to how often Cam came to the line and audibled. We didn't do that nearly as much in 2016. Also: 

1. Bubble screens to Bersin

2. Long developing routs on 3rd and short

3. Refusal to adjust game plan when things aren't working. IE Superbowl and not helping tackles more. 

4. Overcompensating on play calls. Too often I have seen us try to run out the clock early in the 4th and run 3 times in a row. It doesn't work. So Shula overcompensates and on the next drive passes 3 times in a row. 

Do you remember the Falcons offense before they drafted Jake Matthews and signed Alex Mack? They have always had weapons and a QB for many years now. They didn't do anything with all that talent until they fixed the 0-line.

Outside of Bellicheat I don't know anyone that can scheme around the 0-line we dealt with last year. You want TE's to help the tackle more? What Tight ends do we have that are such great blockers? 

Same can be said about our offense in 2014, not to mention we had entirely new receiving core that was very underwhelming. 

Nobody cries about Shula when he has good 0-line play. 

 

[Gin and Juice]

2 hours ago, panther4life said:

Can you go into further detail as to why you think he's the best WR in this class? 

Most because this year's WR class is so weak! Was reading about his success out of the slot. Will have to find it

[Gin and Juice]

2 hours ago, panther4life said:

Can you go into further detail as to why you think he's the best WR in this class? 

To compare with Corey Davis:

Rough numbers over the last two years

Corey Davis-66% catch rate at 16-17 YPR

McCaffery-80% catch rate at 14.5 YPR while still running the ball for roughly 18-22 carries a game avg 6 YPC.

[panther4life]

3 minutes ago, Gin and Juice said:

To compare with Corey Davis:

Rough numbers over the last two years

Corey Davis-66% catch rate at 16-17 YPR

McCaffery-80% catch rate at 14.5 YPR while still running the ball for roughly 18-22 carries a game avg 6 YPC.

Can you add a link for these stats? McCaffrey gets his yards and catches mainly from screens and quick dump offs. 

He barley broken 300 yards receiving last year. 

In 15 according to PFF he had 592 yards after the catch. Sounds great without context. However he only had 645 yards total receiving. That confirms that's he's not a vertical route runner but more so a slippery screen pass, quick dump off weapon as a receiver. 

 

https://www.profootballfocus.com/college-football-mccaffrey-vs-smith-schuster-whos-the-better-open-field-weapon/

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/christian-mccaffrey-1.html

 

[Gin and Juice]

6 minutes ago, panther4life said:

Can you add a link for these stats? McCaffrey gets his yards and catches mainly from screens and quick dump offs. 

He barley broken 300 yards receiving last year. 

In 15 according to PFF he had 592 yards after the catch. Sounds great without context. However he only had 645 yards total receiving. That confirms that's he's not a vertical route runner but more so a slippery screen pass, quick dump off weapon as a receiver. 

 

https://www.profootballfocus.com/college-football-mccaffrey-vs-smith-schuster-whos-the-better-open-field-weapon/

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/christian-mccaffrey-1.html

 

I just went and did some quick math off listed stats. Trying to find at least one of articles I read in the past! And I completely agree about  screens and quick dumps being McCaffery's food, however, weigh the negatives and the positives!

McCaffery also carried the ball 15-20 times where Davis or Williams did not. We can also question Davis' level of competition. Not trying to discredit Davis but choosing to look at the whole picture