NFL network talking what if's about McCaffrey, Panthers at 8.

[thefuzz]

9 minutes ago, Toomers said:

And once again, Cam ain't Matt Ryan. Ryan goes to his check downs too much. So they finally catered to it. With a downfield threat in Julio (something we don't have anything close to) it made a huge difference. It also helps when your OL starts every game together and healthy.

 Forget 1985. How about 2015? How many passes did we throw to our RBs compared to the rest of the league? Where was our offense ranked again? Why not get an actual WR to play WR. You can find a Freeman (whose now sharing carries) in the 4th round. For a reason. Not in the freaking top 10. Would you really consider taking Freeman top 10?

You are correct, Cam isn't Ryan...he's more talented.

I think we threw to backs about 44 times last season...I wonder if we would throw to backs more for easy yards and chain movers if we had a back that could consistently catch the damn ball and run routes?

End of the day, we can't trust KB or Funch to run quick precise routes to easily move the chains.  We can't count on Stew forever, and I certainly don't want to go right back to the simplistic/vanilla/traditional style of offense we would need to run to keep Cam upright and to get LF enough carries.

No, give me McC over LF any day in today's NFL.

[tiger7_88]

2 hours ago, LordOfDaWingz said:

Ron and his crew built up towards those back to back to back titles. This past season though had more to do with terrible offseason decisions made by the front office. 

[Toomers]

2 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

You are correct, Cam isn't Ryan...he's more talented.

I think we threw to backs about 44 times last season...I wonder if we would throw to backs more for easy yards and chain movers if we had a back that could consistently catch the damn ball and run routes?

End of the day, we can't trust KB or Funch to run quick precise routes to easily move the chains.  We can't count on Stew forever, and I certainly don't want to go right back to the simplistic/vanilla/traditional style of offense we would need to run to keep Cam upright and to get LF enough carries.

No, give me McC over LF any day in today's NFL.

  I'm talking about 2015. When we targeted(not catches) our RBs 4 times a games. While having the #1 offense in the NFL. Is that not "today" enough? And while Cam is more talented, as I stated already, short passes are by far his biggest weakness. While they are Ryan's strength. You want to completely change the offense for a player who really shouldn't start at any position. And take him top 10. 

  Who are the other examples of these players? Freeman proved he was an every down back in 2015. They just used him more in the passing game, and incorporated Coleman with him. Which is easier when your OL gives you time. If our WRs can't get open, how do you think a RB will when starting 5-7 yards behind the LOS. Most of these 3rd down backs are late round to UDFAs. Not that hard to find. But you want to spend a top 10 on one. Good call. 

[MV%doe]

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[LxDunn]

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I trust Dave, I just don't trust Shula.

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[Shocker]

My soucres are saying McCaffrey at 8.  Shhh..dont tell nobody.

[bobsfoodbasics]

 

[unicar15]

Get a new coordinator and a QB who throws accurate short and intermediate routes or he'll be wasted. If we're going RB then it should be Fournette. 

[iamhubby1]

13 hours ago, thefuzz said:

Here's the deal...Fournette..while very talented is a 1 trick pony for the most part.  He will be pretty good/great between the tackles, an unknown in the catching game, and is a below average pass protector for his size.  He will easily step into Stews job, and handle it pretty well.

McCaffrey is a multi use tool.  Can impact the game in a variety of different ways.  Kick return, Punt return, running back, slot receiver, or lined up wide in 3/4 WR sets.

10-15 rushes per game, 5-6 returns per game, lined up as a receiver 5-10 times per game.  Use him exactly how Atlanta uses Devonta Freeman, and you may see this offense explode.

 

P.S. we still have Stew under contract for 2 more years.

 

After watching the LSU Pro Day today. Imma have to disagree with your assertion that Fournette is a one trick pony. He was very smooth in the drills, caught every pass, and looked good doing so. He ran good routes as both a RB, and with the WRs.

 

He showed today that he is a much better athlete than most folks were thinking. Including me. If we don't get one of the top DEs, I would be happy with Fournette. And I WAS on the McCaffery train for a while there.

[SmittysLawnGuy]

Very true but his lack of lateral movement is concerning. The AP comparisons are way off track. I'd love the pick but I'd put his roof at Earl Campbell. Not that that's a bad thing.

[Ivan The Awesome]

6 hours ago, bobsfoodbasics said:

 

Would be ecstatic if the Panthers did pick him. 

[Doc Holiday]

13 hours ago, Toomers said:

We are 40-23-1 with 3 division titles and a SB appearance under GMan with Shula as OC.

  Unless we are planning to play a different QB, these pipe dreams of playing a "Patriots" type offense are not realistic. Some adjustments? Yes. Complete overhaul? No way. You play to your QBs strengths. Not try and make him do something completely different because " that's what the team that won the SB did this year".  The Pats offense is entirely built around Brady's strengths. Quick reads and getting the ball out quickly. Not to mention he's arguably the GOAT QB. Do we need some of that element to our offense. Sure. But that isn't what Cam excels at. In fact, it's probably the weakest part of his game. And people want to change the offense to feature his biggest weakness. Brilliant!!!

I feel really weird saying this but.... Amen! That is spot on.

[Doc Holiday]

12 hours ago, thefuzz said:

If we were playing in 1985 I would absolutely be all in for LF...but we aren't.  This is a different time...you need versatility on offense, and outside of Cam....we have very little.

Check out Devonta Freeman's stats from 2016.  That is how you would use McCaffrey in our offense...and it would be awfully beneficial when mixed in with Stew.

 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/16944/devonta-freeman

Power running game didn't disappear in 1985, it disappeared with the Patriot act of 2004. But it's only really gone because the rules today favor the passing game. Not because you can't be effective running the ball.  See 2016 cowboys, or any of the Vikings teams over the years, many of the Vikings teams around AP were terrible, heck outside of the weird Farve years it was AP and AP alone who kept that team relevant. 

[thefuzz]

6 hours ago, Doc Holiday said:

Power running game didn't disappear in 1985, it disappeared with the Patriot act of 2004. But it's only really gone because the rules today favor the passing game. Not because you can't be effective running the ball.  See 2016 cowboys, or any of the Vikings teams over the years, many of the Vikings teams around AP were terrible, heck outside of the weird Farve years it was AP and AP alone who kept that team relevant. 

I love a good running game, but I hate 1 trick ponies in todays NFL in the backfield.

EE was/is great because he can do everything a modern RB needs to be able to do.  Two of my favorites over the past 20 years haven't been the Emmitt Smith or AP types....more of the LT/Marshall Faulk style.  With those dudes you can just be so damned difficult to defend.

With the AP types....not so much...and I don't think that LF is anywhere near AP as far as talent or ability.