I'm calling it, Panthers Trade up to #2 for Fournette

[Everfrost]

lol. No just no

[raleigh-panther]

1 hour ago, Doc Holiday said:

But it wasn't something that I was discussing. the guy that originally brought up the O-line was trying to validate a bad point he made on running backs value by bringing up the O-line, which was only another bad point that he was trying to make. For example heck rest of the NFL doesn't have the Cowboys O-line.  I wonder how the rest of the NFL manages to run the ball?.../sarcasm.  see my point?

If we want to go that route though, our O-line may not be Dallas good, but it's not that bad either.

Our O-line struggled in 2016 due to injuries, not bad play from our starters, there is a big difference there, and this is the same O-line that ranked 2nd on PFF after the 2015 season. our O-line may actually be rather good this year if it stays healthy, because we have either retained or improved at every position over the 2015 unit. 

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-ranking-all-32-offensive-lines-this-season/

Normally I agree with you but talk to me about the Superbowl and the Atlanta game before it in which it was our starting lines.  

We don't know how  Kalil is going to do and I don't think williams is much more than serviceable at RT. Remember, he couldn't displace Remmers, what does that say ...

And Oher, who knows and the other Kalil has started to break down and telling me resigned someone we never should have drafted, that no one else wanted, sorry.  

That oline is one hope dashed and injury sustained to suck just as bad as this past year.  

[Pimpdaddy]

..If Gman trades up in this draft it would be equal to the ridiculousness of Hurney...

[LinvilleGorge]

Could he not displace Remmers or was it the coaches stubbornly sticking with the vet?

This will ruffle some feathers, but honestly Remmers wasn't horrible at RT most Sundays, he just has a fatal flaw in his complete inability to slow down a speed rusher so when he looked bad he got completely and utterly abused. 

[Toomers]

11 hours ago, Craig Pruitt said:

Thing is, there is no guarantee the picks we trade away will be "probable starters" or even solid contributors. Last years #2 (Bradberry) appears to be the real deal.  But, we didn't exactly strike gold in the previous 2 years with our 2nd round picks. Devon Funchess hasn't been overly impressive. We've already cut bait with Ealy.

If we signed Fournette, and exercised the 5th year option we'd have him locked up during the prime years of his career. If he came into the league and became a perennial 1,000 yd rusher, which would take the pressure off of Cam, I don't see how anyone could say "he was a wasted pick",
or "we gave up too much". 

I don't think I could personally make that deal. But, I could understand why the Panthers "might be considering it". I just don't think our O-Line is good enough to consistently open holes for him. So, I might go with O.Howard. But, If we had a good/great O-Line, I could this actually being a good move.

 

  I'd bet folding money that both picks would be, or get a real shot at starting. For that matter, there is no guarantee that Fournette will be special. Even as much as I think he will be. But I would rather take a chance on 3 players being good/ very good, with the #8 pick still having almost as good a chance of being special as LF, than bet it all on just LF. 

   You still would have another possible stud with that 5th year option. At a much higher value(cap wise) than any RB. So that argument is invalid. Plus two more players at 4 years cheap. The "value" argument is one of the biggest arguments against taking Fournette. Like I said, I want him badly, and have made that clear. But there are no guarantees. At #2,,#8... or anywhere. 

[Fox007]

9 hours ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Nope

Agreed....this would be one of the dumbest trades in history. Not in a vaccum but considering that this is one of the deepest drafts and one of the best overall drafts we've had in a long while.

It doesn't have QBs, OL, and WR is a little thin but it has EVERYTHING else in spades.....yea lets just give 2 starters away...fug to the no.

Any BPA at 8 + a 2nd or 3rd rd RB + whatever else is infinitely better than just Fournette and he's the pick I want.

Every Cowboy RB has balled out behind that line...they just had a big contract RB and let him go and hows he doin these days? It's their line not some fugin Zeke, literally any NFL caliber RB can put up #s with them as they have invested in that first. We don't have the luxury of trading up to 2 to get a RB....haven't put in the pre requisite work yet and no Matt Kalil isn't that nor is it enough for some move like this.

Lastly...I think GMan is just plain smarter than that. I will say it will completely change my opinion on him if he does something like this.

 

[Lasus83.]

If the front office feels that Fournette is AP/Bo caliber, I don't fault a trade up at all.

They will really have to feel that way too... mortgaging this much would certainly put their jobs at risk if wrong... this isn't a day 2 trade up.

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[Nails]

Dalvin Cook meeting with the Jags.  http://nfltraderumors.co/nfl-notes-chad-kelly-draft-buccaneers-jaguars/

Greater than 50% chance Fournette is there at 8.

[JawnyBlaze]

4 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Could he not displace Remmers or was it the coaches stubbornly sticking with the vet?

This will ruffle some feathers, but honestly Remmers wasn't horrible at RT most Sundays, he just has a fatal flaw in his complete inability to slow down a speed rusher so when he looked bad he got completely and utterly abused. 

You almost had my pie until what came after "this will ruffle some feathers."  Consider mine ruffled. 

[kungfoodude]

At least most can agree this would be a pretty stupid idea.

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[kungfoodude]

But it wasn't something that I was discussing. the guy that originally brought up the O-line was trying to validate a bad point he made on running backs value by bringing up the O-line, which was only another bad point that he was trying to make. For example heck rest of the NFL doesn't have the Cowboys O-line.  I wonder how the rest of the NFL manages to run the ball?.../sarcasm.  see my point?
If we want to go that route though, our O-line may not be Dallas good, but it's not that bad either.
Our O-line struggled in 2016 due to injuries, not bad play from our starters, there is a big difference there, and this is the same O-line that ranked 2nd on PFF after the 2015 season. our O-line may actually be rather good this year if it stays healthy, because we have either retained or improved at every position over the 2015 unit. 
https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-ranking-all-32-offensive-lines-this-season/

I suspect our OL will be pretty bad this year, even if relatively healthy. The interior has been strong but Kalil is getting more banged up with age and it is pretty hard to see our OT situation really any way positively, IMO.

You still haven't answered how it makes sense to trade up for a position that has largely been devalued in the modern NFL. Especially at the price you were talking. ESPECIALLY in a draft that is supposedly so deep in the first three rounds.

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[Hoenheim]

We should either trade down with a mid round team (no further than pick 20) , or stay at 8. Trading up will rob us off most of our top 100 picks , and if the guy we traded up for is a bust, that ruins this entire draft class and sets our team back from a young talent perspective pretty badly.

Trading down to a late round team (pick 20 and beyond ) , that means even if we get like 2 more second rounders , we totally lose the value of having a top 10 pick in the draft. At that point your almost in the 2nd round anyway picking that late lot of the premier talent is off the board.

[Doc Holiday]

27 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

 

 

I suspect our OL will be pretty bad this year, even if relatively healthy. The interior has been strong but Kalil is getting more banged up with age and it is pretty hard to see our OT situation really any way positively, IMO.

You still haven't answered how it makes sense to trade up for a position that has largely been devalued in the modern NFL. Especially at the price you were talking. ESPECIALLY in a draft that is supposedly so deep in the first three rounds.

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There is a post in here I go into that, happy digging but I did cover it

[CatMan72]

7 hours ago, tiger7_88 said:

Laugh, but he has drawn comparisons based on his size/speed combo. My point is if you believe in those comparisons he's worth the 2nd overall pick. Zeke Elliot was taken at 4, was anyone laughing at the Cowboys last year?