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4 hours ago, csx said:

My phone isn't allowing me to edit..meant to add this to original

In like 20 years there are what 2 OR 3 top 10 running backs worth a damn?

There have been 16 in the past 20 years.

1998: Curtis Enis - BUST

1999: Edgerrin James - great

1999: Ricky Williams - very good when he decided to play instead of smoke

2000: Jamal Lewis - very good

2000: Thomas Jones - late bloomer, bust for the team that drafted him but 5 straight 1000+ yard seasons in Chicago

2001: LaDainian Tomlinson - great

2005: Ronnie Brown - bust due to injuries

2005: Cadillac Williams - same as his college teammate above

2005: Cedric Benson - late bloomer with 3 straight 1000 yard seasons late in his career, but overall disappointing

2006: Reggie Bush - wasn't worthy of #2 overall, but not the bust everyone tries to call him. 10k+ all-purpose yards is no joke

2007: Adrian Peterson - enough said

2008: Darren McFadden - could not stay healthy, bust

2010: CJ Spiller - BUST

2012: Trent Richardson - BUST

2015: Todd Gurley - 1100+ yards as a rookie, down year last year

2016: Zeke Elliott - led the league in rushing as a rookie

That's not an overall bad list. I'd say it likely compares similarly if not better than most position groups.

 

 

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19 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

There have been 16 in the past 20 years.

1998: Curtis Enis - BUST

1999: Edgerrin James - great

1999: Ricky Williams - very good when he decided to play instead of smoke

2000: Jamal Lewis - very good

2000: Thomas Jones - late bloomer, bust for the team that drafted him but 5 straight 1000+ yard seasons in Chicago

2001: LaDainian Tomlinson - great

2005: Ronnie Brown - bust due to injuries

2005: Cadillac Williams - same as his college teammate above

2005: Cedric Benson - late bloomer with 3 straight 1000 yard seasons late in his career, but overall disappointing

2006: Reggie Bush - wasn't worthy of #2 overall, but not the bust everyone tries to call him. 10k+ all-purpose yards is no joke

2007: Adrian Peterson - enough said

2008: Darren McFadden - could not stay healthy, bust

2010: CJ Spiller - BUST

2012: Trent Richardson - BUST

2015: Todd Gurley - 1100+ yards as a rookie, down year last year

2016: Zeke Elliott - led the league in rushing as a rookie

That's not an overall bad list. I'd say it likely compares similarly if not better than most position groups.

 

 

Marshawn Lynch was 12 overall as well, and would obviously go higher in a 2007 redraft.

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11 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

But Stew is knocking on the door of 30. He's short term option no matter what. We're not drafting a guy at #8 just for this year.

Draft picks are obviously supposed to be for the future, true.

But IMO you don't spend a Top 10 pick for a guy who isn't going to be an immediate and significant impact in the present.  

(The QB position, as always, isn't included in this rule.  But more and more, teams that spend this kind of draft capital *DO* expect the QB position to be included in this rule.)

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11 hours ago, Nails said:

There's a reason the other 31 are scared $hitless at the thought of Fournette to the Panthers

hahahahahahahahaha

NO team in this league is scared of Rivera/Shula.  Because they know if Cam doesn't (yet again) play out of his mind and overcome his coaches neanderthal football instincts, that Rivera/Shula's fear of scoring and fear of the clock will always give them a chance to win the game in the 4th quarter (if they haven't already won the game at that point).

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9 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

Draft picks are obviously supposed to be for the future, true.

But IMO you don't spend a Top 10 pick for a guy who isn't going to be an immediate and significant impact in the present.  

(The QB position, as always, isn't included in this rule.  But more and more, teams that spend this kind of draft capital *DO* expect the QB position to be included in this rule.)

I think we're vastly overrating Stewart. Fournette would be better than him day one. 

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50 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

2005: Ronnie Brown - bust due to injuries

2005: Cadillac Williams - same as his college teammate above

2005: Cedric Benson - late bloomer with 3 straight 1000 yard seasons late in his career, but overall disappointing

2006: Reggie Bush - wasn't worthy of #2 overall, but not the bust everyone tries to call him. 10k+ all-purpose yards is no joke

2007: Adrian Peterson - enough said

2008: Darren McFadden - could not stay healthy, bust

2010: CJ Spiller - BUST

2012: Trent Richardson - BUST

2015: Todd Gurley - 1100+ yards as a rookie, down year last year

2016: Zeke Elliott - led the league in rushing as a rookie

That's not an overall bad list. I'd say it likely compares similarly if not better than most position groups.

So in the past 15 years, 3 out of 10?

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3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I think we're vastly overrating Stewart. Fournette would be better than him day one. 

And Rivera/Shula would still play Stewart more.

Especially if Fournette committed the cardinal sin of fumbling the ball JUST ONCE early in his career.

Then our head coach would have something else to coach in fear of.

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59 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

There have been 16 in the past 20 years.

1998: Curtis Enis - BUST

1999: Edgerrin James - great

1999: Ricky Williams - very good when he decided to play instead of smoke

2000: Jamal Lewis - very good

2000: Thomas Jones - late bloomer, bust for the team that drafted him but 5 straight 1000+ yard seasons in Chicago

2001: LaDainian Tomlinson - great

2005: Ronnie Brown - bust due to injuries

2005: Cadillac Williams - same as his college teammate above

2005: Cedric Benson - late bloomer with 3 straight 1000 yard seasons late in his career, but overall disappointing

2006: Reggie Bush - wasn't worthy of #2 overall, but not the bust everyone tries to call him. 10k+ all-purpose yards is no joke

2007: Adrian Peterson - enough said

2008: Darren McFadden - could not stay healthy, bust

2010: CJ Spiller - BUST

2012: Trent Richardson - BUST

2015: Todd Gurley - 1100+ yards as a rookie, down year last year

2016: Zeke Elliott - led the league in rushing as a rookie

That's not an overall bad list. I'd say it likely compares similarly if not better than most position groups.

 

 

I honestly meant to say 10 years but I can't edit for some reason and let it stay as 20. The prior 10 seemed to be better for running backs for sure 

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5 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

And Rivera/Shula would still play Stewart more.

Especially if Fournette committed the cardinal sin of fumbling the ball JUST ONCE early in his career.

Then our head coach would have something else to coach in fear of.

Early on, sure. Stew will know the offense better and he better in pass protection. But, as Fournette got more comfortable and simply proved himself as the more effective back I'd expect him to start getting the majority of the carries as the season went on. Then, Stew would get hurt and it'd be the Fournette Show.

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Just now, csx said:

I honestly meant to say 10 years but I can't edit for some reason and let it stay as 20. The prior 10 seemed to be better for running backs for sure 

Kinda hints back to what Dave said. It's not so much that the RB position has been devalued, it was more due to there being a lack of elite RB prospects.

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1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Early on, sure. Stew will know the offense better and he better in pass protection. But, as Fournette got more comfortable and simply proved himself as the more effective back I'd expect him to start getting the majority of the carries as the season went on. Then, Stew would get hurt and it'd be the Fournette Show.

And, as AU Panther has pointed out, little would change.

This is where you and I (along with AU Panther) disagree.  You think Fournette would produce an amazing change in the offense.  I don't.  (I'm sure you've seen my posts by now where I've made it clear that I think doubling-down on Shula Ball is a huge mistake.

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hahahahahahahahaha
NO team in this league is scared of Rivera/Shula.  Because they know if Cam doesn't (yet again) play out of his mind and overcome his coaches neanderthal football instincts, that Rivera/Shula's fear of scoring and fear of the clock will always give them a chance to win the game in the 4th quarter (if they haven't already won the game at that point).

That's fine because they will all be gone after this year!!!!

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2 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

And, as AU Panther has pointed out, little would change.

This is where you and I (along with AU Panther) disagree.  You think Fournette would produce an amazing change in the offense.  I don't.  (I'm sure you've seen my posts by now where I've made it clear that I think doubling-down on Shula Ball is a huge mistake.

I definitely understand your concern, but yeah, as a runner of the football I think Fournette would simply be hands down better than Jonathan Stewart at this point in their respective careers. People eeek to be forgetting that CAP averaged virtually the same yards per carry as Stew when he filled in for him and the staff didn't even see him worthy of a jersey most of the time. That says a lot. I love Stew, but the guy is washed up.

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