Most realistic Panthers mock I've seen yet

[TheSpecialJuan]

10 minutes ago, Promethean Forerunner said:

NFL.com changed its comparison from Greg Olsen to Julius Thomas. After watching more from Howard, the guy is soft and only possesses straight line speed. He has limited agility, can't jump and shys away from contact. 

To me, Howard isn't a guy worthy of the 8th spot. 

Very interesting.

[TheSpecialJuan]

18 minutes ago, Promethean Forerunner said:

Weaknesses

Will need more muscle and mass to be an in-line blocker as a pro. Appears passive. Doesn't have the field demeanor of most Alabama players. Needs better hand strength to sustain his blocks. Can do better job of working feet into position after contact. Needs urgency in his routes to tilt defenders and get them guessing. Needs to show more elusiveness after the catch. Saw playing time diminish from junior to senior season. Explosive talent who doesn't make enough explosive plays. Scheme creates some wide-open deep-ball catches at time. Scouts question his competitive nature.

Sources Tell Us

"Alabama recruited a shiny toy but (Lane) Kiffin never really knew what to do with it. I don't worry about the talent at all. He could be an all-pro. I just need to know if he loves football." -- NFC general manager

NFL Comparison

Julius Thomas

And I was referring to WR being the next logical move. Don't think there is one that merits the 8 overall pick.

[Darvinsun]

1 hour ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

Very interesting.

Cam wasn't worthy of a number 1 draft pick by some standards. Going by traditional standards and all. Eye test is all i need. Watching all bama games Howard stood out, but Nick is just not a pass man. Howards ability to block and show up in big moments is enough for me..he has all the physical traits...just because he wasn't aggressive doesn't mean he was not good..because if your not you do not play for Nick...The best thing I see about Howard is the one thing most knock him for and that is that he was under utilized. Who is aggressive when you know you are going to be limited..the best thing you can do is be good at what you are asked to do and when called upon to be the go to guy catch the fricking ball which is what I saw from Howard majority of the times. Passes the eye test.

[TheSpecialJuan]

I have complete trust that Gman will make the right decision. So whoever it is that we do take @8, I'll be fine with it.

Unlike most of you.

[MrBubba]

A mock without a DT is not realistic for a Gettleman draft.  

[Devin]

this mock has us drafting a player in the 6th and 7th round. 

 

I discredit the entire thing 

[CRA]

6 hours ago, Promethean Forerunner said:

That doesn't mean a damn thing. Shula had all this time to make changes to his scheme. He didn't. He's run the same system since he coached Alabama. TE #2 blocks. That's Shula. Drafting Howard won't make us a better offense. He'll just be Dickson (seeing 20-30 receptions) until Olsen retires. You guys are banking on phantom stories. Good luck.

It's not a myth. An interim OC beat him out for a head coaching gig.

You gotta have the horses.  Can't change the scheme up without the bodies. I mean you can...and just be worse. 

Name the roster Shula had where he wasted talent at the #2 TE spot

[The Lobo]

1 hour ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

I have complete trust that Gman will make the right decision. So whoever it is that we do take @8, I'll be fine with it.

Unlike most of you.

This

[Burning Bush]

1. TE
2. SS
3. RB
4. WR
5. OL

Then I don't really care next.


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[Saca312]

On March 31, 2017 at 8:10 PM, Promethean Forerunner said:

Weaknesses

Will need more muscle and mass to be an in-line blocker as a pro. Appears passive. Doesn't have the field demeanor of most Alabama players. Needs better hand strength to sustain his blocks. Can do better job of working feet into position after contact. Needs urgency in his routes to tilt defenders and get them guessing. Needs to show more elusiveness after the catch. Saw playing time diminish from junior to senior season. Explosive talent who doesn't make enough explosive plays. Scheme creates some wide-open deep-ball catches at time. Scouts question his competitive nature.

Sources Tell Us

"Alabama recruited a shiny toy but (Lane) Kiffin never really knew what to do with it. I don't worry about the talent at all. He could be an all-pro. I just need to know if he loves football." -- NFC general manager

NFL Comparison

Julius Thomas

That's the thing. We're banking on hoping Howard will be good, even though his production says otherwise. I like his potential as an immediate starter, but I question why Bama chose not to use him as a threat unless there's another underlying reason for it.

To be fair, picking a TE top 10 is where the issue with value comes in. Look at the contracts TEs get nowadays, and compare that with a pass rusher's or something of that value.

Far more value long-term insuring you get a quality pass rusher or even a franchise runningback in comparison to a tight end. OJ Howard could be good, but that's too much of a 'could' for me.

[Saca312]

In short, there's no value to take a TE in the top 10 when considering contract and money wise. 

Other positions will cost way more, but are crucial for any team in comparison to TE. TEs are undervalued because their market value is so low, not because of lack of understanding of their talent and impact.

Since this draft is super deep at TE, there's no point or value for taking Howard at 8.

[Marguide]

33 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

In short, there's no value to take a TE in the top 10 when considering contract and money wise. 

Other positions will cost way more, but are crucial for any team in comparison to TE. TEs are undervalued because their market value is so low, not because of lack of understanding of their talent and impact.

Since this draft is super deep at TE, there's no point or value for taking Howard at 8.

But you can't draft just considering positional value. If you think two players will have an equal impact on your team, say a TE vs a DE or LT, then yes, positional value comes into play. That is rarely the case. 

So say your TE candidate is someone you project to be a perennial all-pro, but your choices at DE or LT or QB you project as capable starters but nothing special, then you take the TE.

You wouldn't choose Cam Robinson, for example, over Fournette, even though LT has high positional value and the value for RB's is low.

[The Huddler]

as a Tech fan, Jerod Evans would be a nice ass backup..

 

like his teamate in Tyrod, I could see him be a player here for us and get a chance elsewhere

 

 

 

speaking of which.. fug him for leaving this year. We are gunna be stacked.. He's gunna be a late round pick... Play another season and improve ya stock!! Ughh. Frustration

[uscgamecocks]

1 hour ago, Saca312 said:

In short, there's no value to take a TE in the top 10 when considering contract and money wise. 

Other positions will cost way more, but are crucial for any team in comparison to TE. TEs are undervalued because their market value is so low, not because of lack of understanding of their talent and impact.

Since this draft is super deep at TE, there's no point or value for taking Howard at 8.

This argument also applies for RBs and safeties, no?

This is an unfortunate year to have a top 10 pick because many of the top talents are at non-premium positions.