Panthers Have Worked Out Tennessee QB Josh Dobbs

[TheMaulClaw]

Dobbs is a great athlete.....but he's strictly a rollout QB....if they see him developing any type of pocket awareness....then get get him late...otherwise he's fools gold.

[Nails]

6 minutes ago, TheMaulClaw said:

Dobbs is a great athlete.....but he's strictly a rollout QB....if they see him developing any type of pocket awareness....then get get him late...otherwise he's fools gold.

He actually threw the ball better than any QB at the combine.  Agent89 even said the same thing as he was there going commentary for NFLN.  Again he's an ideal day 3 pick for us for multiple reasons.

[TheMaulClaw]

16 minutes ago, Nails said:

He actually threw the ball better than any QB at the combine.  Agent89 even said the same thing as he was there going commentary for NFLN.  Again he's an ideal day 3 pick for us for multiple reasons.

Throwing at the combine and in the pocket of a real game are two different things. I'm going by what I saw in games....not in shorts. Dobbs has had some good receivers and tackles protecting him. So his lack of production is an issue.

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19 minutes ago, TheMaulClaw said:

Throwing at the combine and in the pocket of a real game are two different things. I'm going by what I saw in games....not in shorts. Dobbs has had some good receivers and tackles protecting him. So his lack of production is an issue.

He absolutely did not have good tackles or OL play at all, and had one reliable WR-Malone.

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[TheMaulClaw]

15 hours ago, Nails said:

He absolutely did not have good tackles or OL play at all, and had one reliable WR-Malone.

Ehh...he had great tackles in the 2015 season. He had a good running game behind him this year.   

I think Dobbs definitely passes the eyeball test and like I said if the Panthers evaluate him as having growth potential in the pocket that's one thing.

But there's a reason a guy with 1st round physical talent may not be drafted. It's a mental issue with Josh.

[TheMaulClaw]

23 minutes ago, Hammerin'Cameron1 said:

He's at least as good as Colin K - I have faith he can be at least as good of a passer as 1 read and scramble Colin K

2012 Colin....or current Colin?

[TheMaulClaw]

4 minutes ago, Hammerin'Cameron1 said:

He wasn't as good as everybody thought he was in 2012, and he isn't as bad as people think he is currently ...

He's a mobile QB with limited passing abilities

I disagree. I think he was exactly as good as he was then and is exactly as bad as now. It's all mental.

He got caught up in San Francisco politics.

[AceBoogie]

On 3/31/2017 at 5:34 PM, SpclKen said:

The big question with Dobbs is not if he was a good college quarterback (he was), but how will he translate in the NFL. Dobbs is a perfect example of why there is a real concern for running qbs in the NFL. A NFL QB has to win with his head, then his arm, then his legs. There was a HUGE question if Cam could with with his head and reads before he entered the NFL. 

I personally like Dobbs, he is a great teammate, incredibly intelligent, very athletic, strong enough arm, and great running instincts, and excellent deep ball accuracy. There is a lot to like.

I have doubts that Dobbs will be a quality NFL quarterback, i guess he could be a good backup. He does not read the field well,  his ball placement on short and intermediate routs has not shown progress in the last two years. He does not progress through his reads and his pre-snap evaluations and tends to be glued to a receiver. He could mask these faults in college because he could escape the pocket and placed stress on opposing D's to account for his legs which created separation for his receivers. This will not happen in the NFL.

He is most definitely a development project which is why he is projected a day 3 pick. In my opinion his effectiveness in the NFL will rest solely on his ability to read (both pre-snap and progressions) and complete short and intermediate passes. He has a LOT of the same concerns that Cam had coming out, but he has a considerably smaller frame and will not be able to create the same way Cam did with his legs because he is 216 lbs.

I think a higher ceiling prospect is Chad Kelly, but he has off the field concerns you will NOT get with Dobbs.Also Kelly takes too many chances outside the pocket and also struggles with progressions.

That whole "is he smart enough to play qb" bs is code for black qbs and poo has to stop. Nobody questioned if The Golden Calf of Bristol or Luck were smart enough and both are extremely athletic. With white qbs we only analyze their talent and never question if they can "win with their head" so next time you bring that up just disregard it because we know what that is. 

[cultclassiccat]

Speed and size combo hard to pass up. Tutor him w cam.
I'd say his pocket instincts are well above average.

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[AceBoogie]

11 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Dear lord stop. He never said he wasn't smart enough. It's not black QBs. It's a QB whose completion % is around 60 and yards per game is around 200. That's a QB who you aren't sure can make the transition to a starting NFL QB. Let's take another very athletic QB in Trubisky. The only measurement at the combine that Trubisky wasn't within a hair of Dobbs or better (short shuttle) was the vertical. Do you know why people don't worry about Trubisky's transition (aside from experience) to a starter? His passing stats are where you expect them to be, almost 70% and close to 300 yards per game and Trubisky's level of competition was as good as Dobbs.

I think Dobbs isn't a bad late pick because we need to improve our backup. DA looked bad last year and Webb's not starting caliber. Again, not because of his skin color but because he's shown that.


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I'm not going to stop because the truth makes you uncomfortable. I'm not even talking about Dobbs, I've never seen him attempt a pass. But when you start talking about "can they win with their head" when discussing black qbs we know what that's about. It's the same way people on here don't want McCafery because of the negative connotations associated with being a white rb. 

[SpclKen]

I'm not going to stop because the truth makes you uncomfortable. I'm not even talking about Dobbs, I've never seen him attempt a pass. But when you start talking about "can they win with their head" when discussing black qbs we know what that's about. It's the same way people on here don't want McCafery because of the negative connotations associated with being a white rb. 

If you read my post the only thing I said about Dobbs is that he IS intellegent, I mean he is majoring in aerospace engineering. He's plenty smart enogh. I specifically said he had trouble with progressions which is not an intelligence thing, also I said the same exact thing as Kelly who is white.

I also think the intellegent thing can be overblown and code, but I have no idea how you got that from my post because Dobbs is super intellegent and I said so!

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[TheMaulClaw]

4 hours ago, AceBoogie said:

I'm not going to stop because the truth makes you uncomfortable. I'm not even talking about Dobbs, I've never seen him attempt a pass. But when you start talking about "can they win with their head" when discussing black qbs we know what that's about. It's the same way people on here don't want McCafery because of the negative connotations associated with being a white rb. 

You realize your talking to fans of the Panthers...headed by a black qb and Latino HC....give it a rest. 

[tiger7_88]

What really surprised me about this thread is how some people seem to expect a 6th-round draft choice to be some kind of top-notch immediate starter and not a developmental project.

Yes, sometimes 6th-rounders can surprise (hello Tom Brady), but that ain't usually the case.