J-Stew Contract Restructure Details

[Ace_Aladdin]

1 hour ago, JARROD said:

Stewart is  better than a lot of 22-year-old running backs and I think the best running back over 30 right now. The dude missed three games last year, which isn't the end of the world. 

And I still say had he been drafted by a team where he was the guy and that had a real offensive line he'd have made a lot of probowls.

people would speak very differently about him. When he's on the field our offense just plays a lot different-- much more of an attitude. 

I also believe he has a lot of years left.

Teams where selling out to stop the run and with terrilbe OL play poo just went south.

This year should be 180, with new talent around him he will be able to have more explosive plays. 

[Kevin Greene]

This is as good as it could be with Stewart staying on the roster I think. Gettleman doing work, great job. Now we need to add to our RB core one month from now or after June 1 cuts.

[chknwing]

an incentive to play hard this season? were not drafting fournette.  no way they want stewart to meet performance goals if they plan on giving the rock to fournette.  personally I dont think you can switch back and forth between the 2 because backs like that have to get into a rhythm.  and their not gonna draft fournette and put him on the bench.

[JARROD]

2 hours ago, chknwing said:

an incentive to play hard this season? were not drafting fournette.  no way they want stewart to meet performance goals if they plan on giving the rock to fournette.  personally I dont think you can switch back and forth between the 2 because backs like that have to get into a rhythm.  and their not gonna draft fournette and put him on the bench.

I can agree, but also if we look into 10-12 carries between 2 backs they figure fresh legs etc-- occasionally you go with the hot hand if one is just having a killer day and the other is not. 

Im not necessarily agreeing with the logic because I believe more of the rhythm logic, but I'm sure that's what the metric guys look at.

its another reason why I only take analytics with a grain of salt, they remove the human element.

[luke nukem]

7 hours ago, Marguide said:

Still a lot of damn guaranteed money for a 30 year old running back, at least this year.

Hurney man. The other option was to cut him and eat 4 million of it. Considering the weak pool of RB's out in FA, this move had to be done.

[Marguide]

14 minutes ago, luke nukem said:

Hurney man. The other option was to cut him and eat 4 million of it. Considering the weak pool of RB's out in FA, this move had to be done.

Yeah, I know.

When everybody was complaining about D-Will's deal, I was warning that Stew's was much worse. And here we are years later still trying to get value out of it.

So I guess it was just more of a general b-tch on my part than suggesting we could have gone in another direction.

 

[Davidson Deac II]

8 hours ago, chknwing said:

an incentive to play hard this season? were not drafting fournette.  no way they want stewart to meet performance goals if they plan on giving the rock to fournette.  personally I dont think you can switch back and forth between the 2 because backs like that have to get into a rhythm.  and their not gonna draft fournette and put him on the bench.

IMO, Stewart's contract will have zero impact on who we draft.  If we draft Fournette or some other back, the thought will be that he would gradually replace Stewart, and perhaps fully replace him by next year.  

[chknwing]

1 minute ago, Davidson Deac II said:

IMO, Stewart's contract will have zero impact on who we draft.  If we draft Fournette or some other back, the thought will be that he would gradually replace Stewart, and perhaps fully replace him by next year.  

understood, but you dont draft a player at 8 to gradually do anything.  That has to be an impact player day 1.

[Davidson Deac II]

15 minutes ago, chknwing said:

understood, but you dont draft a player at 8 to gradually do anything.  That has to be an impact player day 1.

I know that is the prevailing thought, but it usually doesn't work out that way.  Even top 10 picks usually take a little while to adjust to the league.  There are exceptions of course, especially at positions like running back and receiver.  

That being said, we may or may not draft Fournette, if he is available.  I don't think that has really changed.

[truthjuice]

Hope he can stay healthy. 

[thefuzz]

8 hours ago, luke nukem said:

Hurney man. The other option was to cut him and eat 4 million of it. Considering the weak pool of RB's out in FA, this move had to be done.

Yup, end of the day we control him for two seasons in the case we can't find what we are looking for...didn't cost us much more than cutting him either.

[TheSpecialJuan]

Does anyone recall how much cap space we had after this extension? 

I ask because with 79 players on the roster (including QB Gilbert) we currently have $15.9 million.  https://www.nflpa.com/public-salary-cap-report

We only had $10.8 million before the extension.  Did someone else take a pay cut?

[panther4life]

15 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

Does anyone recall how much cap space we had after this extension? 

I ask because with 79 players on the roster (including QB Gilbert) we currently have $15.9 million.  https://www.nflpa.com/public-salary-cap-report

We only had $10.8 million before the extension.  Did someone else take a pay cut?

Nice catch. I thought it said 12.1 or something like that before the extension.

Anyway I thought the details said a roster bonus of 2.5 goes into effect today. So I assume that number will be at 13.5 tomorrow. 

Take the 2 million savings for this years cap + the 12.1 I thought I saw and it should add up fairly close. 

 Be interesting to see what the report says tomorrow

[TheSpecialJuan]

24 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

Does anyone recall how much cap space we had after this extension? 

I ask because with 79 players on the roster (including QB Gilbert) we currently have $15.9 million. 

We only had $10.8 million before the extension.  Did someone else take a pay cut?

https://www.nflpa.com/public-salary-cap-report