Ron Rivera And Brandon Beane At Stanford To See Christian McCaffrey And Solomon Thomas

[LinvilleGorge]

10 minutes ago, Snake said:

One look at the film and its clear. No need for eight balls. Brass tax the kid is talented but not a complete DE. When you put his name with Peppers or Williams you are talking about once in 15 year DEs. He is just not that because he is not solid in run support. 

"One look at the film" and you know more than every NFL talent evaluator out there. That's special.

You can coach a guy up who has he physical tools to make him a solid run supporter. You can't teach his physical tool.

Those physical tools with high level production against top college talent = slam dunk top 5 pick year in and year out.

I'm not saying he'll be what Peppers has been in the NFL. No one has a crystal ball. He probably won't be since Peppers has been one of the most productive NFL DEs ever. But, as a prospect? Yeah, he's elite.

[Snake]

18 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

"One look at the film" and you know more than every NFL talent evaluator out there. That's special.

You can coach a guy up who has he physical tools to make him a solid run supporter. You can't teach his physical tool.

Those physical tools with high level production against top college talent = slam dunk top 5 pick year in and year out.

I'm not saying he'll be what Peppers has been in the NFL. No one has a crystal ball. He probably won't be since Peppers has been one of the most productive NFL DEs ever. But, as a prospect? Yeah, he's elite.

As a prospect he is not elite. He doesn't pass rush as well as a Jadeveon Clowney and his run support is suspect. Can he work on it sure but will Cleveland be the place for that? Players like him and even Clowney need the right situation. Clowney has gotten better simply because he was in there with one of the best 3-4 edge rushers of all time and only asked to pass rush. Garrett will be asked to be a 3 down DE in Cleveland and he is not. 

[LinvilleGorge]

It seems as if you're trying to judge college players as a completed product. They're not. That's why they're called prospects.

You're also employing some revisionist history. You act like Mario Williams and Julius Peppers were perfect prospects. They weren't. Mario padded his stats with 3 and 4 sack games against weak competition and disappeared against good teams and Peppers had a lot of questions about his work ethic. Both turned out to be very good pros.

Like I said, you can't teach Garrett's physical talents and those talents are elite. You can teach a guy with the tools to play better in run support.

Now, there's a good chance that Garrett will be a disappointment in the NFL simply because he's going to Cleveland, the NFL's black hole for talent. It seems like in the past decade, unless your name is Joe you disappear after being drafted by Cleveland. Only Joe Thomas and Joe Haden have gone on to be elite players at their positions in that festering cesspool that is the Browns. It's gonna be a tough go in Cleveland for anyone. That roster is absolutely depleted.

[WOW!!]

2 hours ago, panthers55 said:

You clearly miss the point. McCaffrey isn't a running back, he is a receiver, returner running back who does all thing very well. Running a screen or dumpoff is just as effective in the 4th quarter as it is the rest of the time. Hopefully our evolution thinking  is more out of the box than yours right now.

No i understand what he is.. I just rather get the /// guy where everybody else gets them.. in later round.. Nobody draft the situational player jack of all trades master of none  in the top 10.. I rather get the sure thing instead of the pet project..

[davos]

Given the active chatter in here, I think the scenario that would lead to the most entertaining board response would be a trade back to grab McCaffrey and Ross haha #unrealistic

With this RB class, I'd love any grab from Fournette, McCaffery, Perine, McNichols, to that Brian Hill.  

 

[davos]

People are projecting Thomas as a fit at EDGE or in a Michael Bennet type role.  He's a tweener, damn good, versatile, and not the first prospect like this.  

He's got bend, burst, step, run defense, and versatility.   Makes sense why he's being projected so high. I don't see why he can't develop some moves.  4-3 or 3-4.  Not christening him a stud out of the gate but he checks a lot of boxes.  

[CWORS]

I could get onboard with adding the both of them in the draft. But i keep seeing people saying Thomas can't play DE, not sure why. Could I be missing something?! He's not a quick twitch guy but that's not what DG or Ron wants in a DE anyway. I think he would fit opposite of Addison. Bringing him along would be ideal, giving him time to get use to the nuances of the NFL and playing DE primarily. 

[Hoenheim]

Thomas at 8.. fine okay. He seemed to play inside alot in college but has a great ability to get after the QB and a ridiculous motor . Picking him would have me feeling around the same as Barnett, kinda "meh" but it's just a safe DE pick that everyone would expect Gettleman to make.

I think McCaffrey is liable to go in the mid first round and I can't see any of those teams taking our two 2nd rounders as sufficient enough for their first rounder . So I think it's very unlikely we get McCaffrey, not on an interest level but in terms of what positions we're drafting at I think it's quite a low possibilty unless for some reason he drops to near the very end of the 1st  or top of the 2nd , then trading up for him becomes much more of a possibility . 

In a trade down, we're probably getting Howard , Ross, or Barnett I would think. 

[Ace_Aladdin]

5 minutes ago, Hoenheim said:

Thomas at 8.. fine okay. He seemed to play inside alot in college but has a great ability to get after the QB and a ridiculous motor . Picking him would have me feeling around the same as Barnett, kinda "meh" but it's just a safe DE pick that everyone would expect Gettleman to make.

I think McCaffrey is liable to go in the mid first round and I can't see any of those teams taking our two 2nd rounders as sufficient enough for their first rounder . So I think it's very unlikely we get McCaffrey, not on an interest level but in terms of what positions we're drafting at I think it's quite a low possibilty unless for some reason he drops to near the very end of the 1st  or top of the 2nd , then trading up for him becomes much more of a possibility . 

In a trade down, we're probably getting Howard , Ross, or Barnett I would think. 

Fournette and Howard are both BPA over him for Panthers 

[Hoenheim]

Well everyone is entitled to their own opinion. IN my mind, its difficult for me to get excited about picking another dlineman unless their some world beater like Garrett 

And I'm thinking Thomas won't be there when we pick anyway. Is he not the #2 DE behind Garrett? And with Allen's shoulder issues, I'm thinking Solomon Thomas is going much higher than 8. 

[Hoenheim]

Resigning Stewart probably means the Panthers are less likely to feel the need to pull the trigger on Fournette with 8, don't be surprised if we gut the eagles for their 2nd and 3rd rounders and their 1st rounder if they start foaming at the mouth and want to trade up with us for Fournette or Cook.

[Nails]

4 minutes ago, Hoenheim said:

Resigning Stewart probably means the Panthers are less likely to feel the need to pull the trigger on Fournette with 8, don't be surprised if we gut the eagles for their 2nd and 3rd rounders and their 1st rounder if they start foaming at the mouth and want to trade up with us for Fournette or Cook.

The Eagles would certainly love Fournette of course, but they have so many needs it's hard to imagine.

[Hoenheim]

Yeah Ive done a few first pick mocks where the colts want to give up their 2nd and 3rds for cook or fournette and I just LOL because their defense is hot trash, and in that move they'd essentially be spending their first 3 picks on offense. That would piss off the colts fanbase real bad. If I were them I'd be drafting defense in the early rounds and get a mid to late round RB because Gore is old now.

[Ace_Aladdin]

21 minutes ago, Promethean Forerunner said:

Lulz, someone is in denial I see.

Nope , there both BPA over him for Panthers