Should the Panthers sign Kaep?

[Kakarot]

22 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I wouldn't take Siemian, or Gabbert, or Te-bow for that matter.  Ditto Tyrod Taylor, who also had better stats than Kaepernick. 

And Derek Anderson has, in fact, been a very good backup.  We've won games where he started.

And no, Gabbert doesn't have a team.  Look him up.

Sieman, Gabbert, and Taylor aren't on the same level as The Golden Calf of Bristol. I would take any of those 3 as a backup, and I'd take Taylor as a starter depending on my team. Taylor is better than DA.

I didn't know Gabbert was a free agent. My apologies on that.

[Ace_Aladdin]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You might wanna actually link what you're quoting, and if it's a huddler's analysis that's not much of a source.

Edit: Your source is a 49er fan?  Wow.

Real analysts have broken down his inability to read defenses.  Heck, he had a press conference a while back where he talked about the coverages he was seeing on interceptions he'd thrown.  Someone went back and fact checked him and found he was wrong each time.

If he were really as good as you think, he'd get a chance regardless of the politics.  The NFL is not a monolithic entity.  It's a group of teams owned by different people with varying political beliefs but all of whom have share one single agenda, that being to beat all of the others.

If anyone thought, Kaepernick could help them do that, he's have a job.  He doesn't.

Maybe he will, but it's not guaranteed.

When the President of the United States tweets about you yea there is some big politicking  going on.

The analysis was pretty good with visual evidence, the main issue was being consistent.

I think your just being biased based on something.

 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, sanjay_rajput said:

When the President of the United States tweets about you yea there is some big politicking  going on.

The analysis was pretty good with visual evidence, the main issue was being consistent.

I think your just being biased based on something.

 

You think every NFL owner voted for Trump?

And no, the analysis was from a fan.  Actual analysts who know how to read defenses have shown where he gets it wrong.  Heck, a beat writer who fact checked Kaepernick's answers about his coverage saw he had it wrong. And his actual performances in games have shown he's not that good outside of garbage time.

He's just not good enough.

[Ace_Aladdin]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You think every NFL owner voted for Trump?

And no, the analysis was from a fan.  Actual analysts who know how to read defenses have shown where he gets it wrong.  Heck, a beat writer who fact checked Kaepernick's answers about his coverage saw he had it wrong. And his actual performances in games have shown he's not that good outside of garbage time.

He's just not good enough.

All those assessment  are wrong 

 

[Mr. Scot]

18 minutes ago, sanjay_rajput said:

All those assessment  are wrong and your just making crap up to be rigth.

Yes, a bunch of experts who actually played the game are wrong are wrong but a kid who plays Madden is right.

Sure.

The people whose job is actually to win games say they're not interested, and these guys are willing to sign plenty of players of varying views iif they think they can help them win games (heck, Pac Man Jones still has a job).  But right now, they don't think Kaepernick can do that.

As to his abilities, you're a fan of Pro Football Focus, right?  Here's what they say.

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The 49ers and Jim Harbaugh understood Kaepernick’s game early on, and part of the reason he got the starting job over Smith in the first place is because Harbaugh felt that if he was going to be simplifying his offense for Smith, building in automatic checkdowns and generally trying to pare down what he asked of the quarterback, he might as well throw in the guy with all-world athleticism to run it.

The 49ers were built on the back of the league’s best offensive line (at the time) and a powerful running game. Add in Kaepernick’s big arm, ability to make key throws in the right situations, and the wrinkle he brought with his running ability (which factors into our grading of him), and you had a recipe for success.

The issues have developed as the 49ers have gone away from that recipe. The more they have placed on Kaepernick’s shoulders, the less he has been able to carry, and the support around him on the field has deteriorated.

 

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Playing quarterback in a pro-style NFL offense might be the hardest job in sports. There are maybe 10 guys on the planet at any one time who can do it to a really high level. There are another 10 who can get by or do it at that level for stretches, and then there are a bunch more guys who need a bit of help to get things done. Kaepernick falls into that last category. He can’t play the game like Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, or even Russell Wilson, but he can still be an effective force if he has the right coach to construct an offense around him as a kind of support structure.

We saw that Harbaugh was able to do that initially, before losing his way in the project, but is new head coach Jim Tomsula able to? If not, Kaepernick is on borrowed time as an NFL starter.

Basically, the more they asked him to actually play like a pro quarterback, the worse he got.

And just to be clear, that article was written in 2015, long before Kaepernick started kneeling at the national anthem.

But hey, they must just be biased, right?

[bLACKpANTHER]

11 minutes ago, JARROD said:

He's a POS, I'm a former Marine of 8 years, have friends that made the ultimate sacrifice, so I am not rooting for him on the Panthers.

Actually I'd boycott the Panthers if we did.


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To all you guys calling him a POS and how you would boycott the team - i hope you all know that there are guys on the team Right Now that support Kaep and what he stands for..

so let the boycotting begin.. right?

Look - im not trying to disrespect anyone.. i dont think Kaep was either - and has said so on multiple occasions.. he has family members in the military.. what he was doing was bringing attention to a problem in the country - accountability for the police who break the law.. he even said - "I have seen men n women who have been in the military and have come home and been treated unjustly by the country they were protecting.."

c'mon @JARROD - you know our country is corrupt in a lot of different areas (ie. politics, police, media, etc.).. i love it here and wouldn't want to live anywhere else, but if you can't question the motive and actions of the ones in power then nuthin will change for the better..

And finally but certainly not least - Thank you for serving and protecting me and my family. I am sorry to hear about your fallen brothers and will pray for them and their families..

[Ace_Aladdin]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Yes, a bunch of experts who actually played the game are wrong are wrong but a kid who plays Madden is right.

Sure.

The people whose job is actually to win games say they're not interested, and these guys are willing to sign plenty of players of varying views iif they think they can help them win games (heck, Pac Man Jones still has a job).  But right now, they don't think Kaepernick can do that.

As to his abilities, you're a fan of Pro Football Focus, right?  Here's what they say.

 

Basically, the more they asked him to actually play like a pro quarterback, the worse he got.

And just to be clear, that article was written in 2015, long before Kaepernick started kneeling at the national anthem.

But hey, they must just be biased, right?

 

There are bunch of experts who says he is capable starter, ppl will skew the story to fit their agenda.

But here is from the Horse's mouth who actually coached him and took the team to the SB.

Jim Harbaugh tells NFL teams Colin Kaepernick can be great

Posted by Michael David Smith on March 21, 2017, 8:45 AM EDT

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The coach who went to a Super Bowl with Colin Kaepernick thinks another team could get to the Super Bowl with Kaepernick, if he gets the chance.

Jim Harbaugh said on PFT Live that Kaepernick, whom he coached in San Francisco, still has all the tools he displayed when he took the league by storm in his first year as a starter. Harbaugh said NFL teams have reached out to ask his opinion of Kaepernick, and Harbaugh tells them they should sign him.

“I’ll tell you the same thing I tell them: I think he’s an outstanding player and I think he’s a great competitor who has proven it in games and has the ability to be not only an NFL starter but a great NFL player,” Harbaugh said.

Harbaugh said he thinks NFL teams aren’t as patient as they need to be in developing quarterbacks, and he thinks a smart team will take the time to work with Kaepernick to make the most of his physical tools. That team, Harbaugh believes, will win multiple Super Bowls.

“He’ll have a great career and be a great quarterback, win championships,” Harbaugh said.

Now the question is whether any team will give Kaepernick that chance.

@Kakarot

[Mr. Scot]

9 minutes ago, sanjay_rajput said:

There are bunch of experts who says he is capable starter, ppl will skew the story to fit their agenda.

But here is from the Horse's mouth who actually coached him and took the team to the SB.

Jim Harbaugh tells NFL teams Colin Kaepernick can be great

Posted by Michael David Smith on March 21, 2017, 8:45 AM EDT

Sure he can, with Jim harbaugh coaching him. 

Basically that qualifies him to play QB for the University of Michigan. 

The NFL - unless Harbaugh comes back - not so much.

But since you cite Michael David Smith, here's his read on Kaepernick.

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And then Kaepernick began to decline in 2014. In 2015, that decline reached such a depth that he was benched for Blaine Gabbert, of all people. This year Kaepernick. has finally taken the job back from Gabbert, but he isn’t very good: Yesterday he averaged a pathetic 4.2 yards per pass and completed less than 50 percent of his passes in an ugly loss to the Buccaneers.

So what happened to Kaepernick?

1. Jim Harbaugh left. Harbaugh is a singularly great coach, a coach who has proven everywhere he’s been that he can get the most out of his players. When 49ers owner Jed York and General Manager Trent Baalke foolishly decided they couldn’t get along with Harbaugh anymore, they lost a coach who could find ways to win with Kaepernick’s skill set.

2. Defenses figured him out. Kaepernick always had a strong arm, but he lacks touch on short passes. Defenses seem to be taking away the deep ball and forcing Kaepernick to throw short, and he just doesn’t do that very well. That’s why his average yards per pass has declined every season, from 8.3 in his first season as a starter, to 7.7 in his second year, 7.0 in his third year, 6.6 in his fourth year and now just 5.2 this year.

3. He doesn’t have a supporting cast. In Kaepernick’s first couple seasons, the 49ers were loaded. They’re now a worse team across the board: Worse receivers, worse offensive linemen, worse running backs and a worse defense, which means the 49ers’ offense often ends up having to throw more and run less.

4. He has physically declined. Just looking at Kaepernick, it’s obvious that he’s skinnier and less muscular than he used to be. He had three surgeries that severely limited his ability to work out this offseason, and he has also lost weight after radically changing his diet. He’s just not the big, imposing athlete he was three or four years ago.

Kaepernick may some day find himself playing with a better supporting cast, and it’s possible he’ll get bigger and stronger, but I’m skeptical that he’ll ever be the same player he once was. I don’t think he’s going to end up with another coach who understands his skill set as well as Harbaugh did, and I think the deficiencies opposing defenses have found in his game are going to follow him around. Far from becoming “one of the greatest quarterbacks ever,” I don’t think Kaepernick is even going to be an above-average starter ever again. He had two incredible years, but the Colin Kaepernick of old isn’t coming back.

The decline of Colin Kaepernick

Guess you'll say he's biased too, except in that article where you cited him, of course.

[AceBoogie]

1 hour ago, OneBadCat said:

The only issue I see there is DA still has experience that Cam can learn from. Kaepernick does not offer that. He is a one read QB and a shittier version of Cam.

Now I'm not advocating we sign him, I'm just saying he's better than what we have. Plus Cam should be at the stage in his career where he doesn't need an old vet behind him. Pretty soon it's going to need to be a younger guy behind him. 

[CarolinaPride90]

56 minutes ago, JARROD said:

He's a POS, I'm a former Marine of 8 years, have friends that made the ultimate sacrifice, so I am not rooting for him on the Panthers.

Actually I'd boycott the Panthers if we did.


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Then that makes you no better than the people who oppose him because of who he is as a man. First and foremost thank you for your service, but did you not fight for his freedom to express himself amongst many other freedoms? If not that just makes you a hit man for hire.

[Ace_Aladdin]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Sure he can, with Jim harbaugh coaching him. 

Basically that qualifies him to play QB for the University of Michigan. 

The NFL - unless Harbaugh comes back - not so much.

But since you cite Michael David Smith, here's his read on Kaepernick.

Again skewing view point to match your argument, A NFL coach who coached him and went to the SB basically said that another team without him being the headcoach will be successful with  Kapernick as a starter.

I'll take a former NFL coaches words over your claimed sources.

P.S. after Jim left the whole team fell apart from

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So basically when you have no talented players, coaches and no form of team chemistry your gonna have decline in your career while playing one of the better defensive division.

We'll find out by end of 2017.

[MBronson]

I heard he has a knee problem.

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I heard he has an Ego problem.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, sanjay_rajput said:

Again skewing view point to match your argument, A NFL coach who coached him and went to the SB basically said that another team without him being the headcoach will be successful with  Kapernick as a starter.

I'll take a former NFL coaches words over your claimed sources.

P.S. after Jim left the whole team fell apart from

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RB

WR

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defense

So basically when you have no talented players, coaches and no form of team chemistry your gonna have decline in your career while playing one of the better defensive division.

We'll find out by end of 2017.

Other NFL coaches and personnel guys who have no personal relationship with Kaepernick don't think he's good enough to play for them.

But hey, their opinion is biased, right?

[AceBoogie]

51 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You think every NFL owner voted for Trump?

And no, the analysis was from a fan.  Actual analysts who know how to read defenses have shown where he gets it wrong.  Heck, a beat writer who fact checked Kaepernick's answers about his coverage saw he had it wrong. And his actual performances in games have shown he's not that good outside of garbage time.

He's just not good enough.

He's not better than Mike Glennon or Josh McCown?