Should the Panthers sign Kaep?

[Move the Panthers to Raleigh]

Trump wouldn't be down with this.

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[GoobyPls]

7 hours ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

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fahey watched every snap of every game and graded the quarterbacks as he saw it. kaepernick is a fine game manager who was let down repeatedly by perhaps the shittiest set of skill position players in the league and oh yeah he can run like the wind. you've got to be pretty stupid to think this is anything but a quarterback starved league blackballing a serviceable quarterback all because he had the audamndacity to protest racism in america and tbh i've not seen one post itt that would cause me to even begin to question that.

Kaepernick got beat out by Gabbert not that long ago. He's not a good QB in any sense of the word.Yeah he had nice stats in the same same Chip Kelly system that Foles put up 27 TD and 2 int.

 

Of course his kneeling thing has something to do with him not getting signed, teams hate media distractions and that's what he is.

 

And people keep saying he's a great teammate are they forgetting the 3 years before last season? He was an outsider and then he started seeing Aldon Smith ex girlfriend which later led to an altercation which got Smith cut.

And how many teams run a offense that suits his style of play? Buffalo and Us? 

[GoobyPls]

4 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

kaepernick's stats were fine before kelly. he is 2nd among active quarterbacks in interception %, 12th in yards per attempt, and 12th in passer rating. oh and he has a career 6.1 rushing yards per attempt. he is a perfectly serviceable game manager. and the gabbert thing is no more proof that kaepernick is bad than it is proof that nfl front offices would prefer a quarterback who has been pure poo since he arrived in the nfl but "looks the part" over the mid-range black guy who uses his platform to protest racism.

he would be an instant improvement over guys like alex smith and andy dalton, not to mention the scrubs like glennon getting multimillion dollar contracts.

His stats weren't fine before Chip, his stats got worse every single season. His passer rating looks good cause he has highest sack% in the NFL. And him getting benched for Gabbert in 2015 had nothing to do with race it had to do with the fact that he sucks. 4 or out of the 7 games he started in 2015 he didn't score a single TD. That's horrible 

 He's not better than Dalton, not even close. Alex Smith maybe but Alex Smith has found his niche.

 

So cause the bears are stupid enough to give a bad QB big a contract  every other team should follow suit for Kaepernick???

 

Kaepernick already had his chance with two really good offensive minds, he had a TON of weapons. Why should teams bend over to give him another chance?

[GoobyPls]

36 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

his stats were in line with his career averages and any negative deviation could easily be attributed to the mass exodus of talent san francisco has experienced over the past few years.

dalton is trash and a league average quarterback would have at least made a super bowl appearance with the supporting cast he has had. you seem to be one of those "wins are an important statistic to measure quarterbacks by" guys and i hate to break it to you but there's a lot that goes into a quarterback's stats and a team's outcomes

no team is required to do anything like that and literally no one has argued otherwise. this is a straw man. teams can sign all of the shitty retreads, has-beens and never-weres they want, all because they "look the part." but what people can't do is pretend that it is a performance decision and expect intelligent observers to accept it as such. 

kaepernick took a good team to the super bowl because, as i've said, he is a perfectly serviceable game manager with the added bonus of elite running ability. he's being passed over for dudes who have never even flashed mediocrity all because they "look the part" and have no desire to speak out against injustice.

From 2012-2015 his passer rating went down every year, his TD per game went down every year, his yards per game went down every year. How exactly did his stats "stay in line" ? Please explain this 

He actually had a more talented roster in 2013 and 14 than he did his first season.

 

If Dalton is trash than Kaepernick is 50 feet of chit below him. You are really crying about Dalton supporting cast? Do you want me to start riffing off the receivers Kaepernick had? What about the defense he had or the coach he had? Kaepernick had the most talented team in the league for 3 seasons and still had mediocre stats.

 

Kaepernick is not even a game manager at this point, and to bring him in you need to change your offensive play book which few teams are willing to do.

 

Your whole arguments reeks of "whitey holding Kaepernick down" 

[KalElofKrypton]

10 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

From 2012-2015 his passer rating went down every year, his TD per game went down every year, his yards per game went down every year. How exactly did his stats "stay in line" ? Please explain this 

He actually had a more talented roster in 2013 and 14 than he did his first season.

 

If Dalton is trash than Kaepernick is 50 feet of chit below him. You are really crying about Dalton supporting cast? Do you want me to start riffing off the receivers Kaepernick had? What about the defense he had or the coach he had? Kaepernick had the most talented team in the league for 3 seasons and still had mediocre stats.

 

Kaepernick is not even a game manager at this point, and to bring him in you need to change your offensive play book which few teams are willing to do.

 

Your whole arguments reeks of "whitey holding Kaepernick down" 

I'm literally so confused right now.... lol gooby this has to be the first time I've seen you not defending *insert random AA player here* is it because he's half white? Because he does legitimately suck.

[TheRed]

OP sure dropped a hand grenade here.

[JARROD]

7 hours ago, top dawg said:

So, America was given to me and my ancestors...? You learn something new everyday.

I knew there was a reason I waited so long before entering this thread. 

Soldiers are to be respected for their service, but their service is not the American flag. Don't mix up the two. That is somewhat of a convoluted way of thinking. 

The flag is a piece of cloth which is supposed to represent so much to all, but that's not the reality that it's representing.

http://racerelations.net/?p=93

Like I said, don't get it twisted. The two are totally separate. To try and feign that they are one and the same is a deception and manipulation. Intelligent men understand that, and they see it for what it is.

 

A different discussion for another place but while your words are eloquent, the thinking that because someone disagrees with you he or she is somehow unintelligent or lesser is a bit condescending. 

Yes the men and women who came before you gave you and me this country-- it would not exist without them. How could you say otherwise? 

 There are two issues that you are confusing.  protesting that the country somehow  has different standards for different people  is very different from protesting that the country exist at all. Protesting that with the country is supposed to be and what people gave their lives to make it be is not something that I will now or ever agree with.

 The ideals in which the flag and the anthem represent  our standards to which everyone should elevate themselves to. 

 Protecting people that can't protect themselves, moving forward and elevating ourselves as a society is an ideal that the flag and the anthem represent. 

Sitting for the anthem or sitting for the flag or burning a flag, for me is protesting  those standards or ideals existing at all is not the right protest.

 Also stating a problem without offering a solution is  something that weak people do without an understanding of what they're  doing or even what they're protesting. 

 Posting an article written  by someone named Philipp who hasn't done a  mass cross-cultural survey in some type of semi scientific format that is backed by a respected community is just hearsay and  and obviously the viewpoints of one person. 

  Anyway we respectfully disagree, and that is part of the rights and privileges that are offered under the flag and the anthem which you seem to be so easily offended by. 

My solution is for anyone that is unhappy to relocate to another country. It's that simple

 

[top dawg]

1 hour ago, JARROD said:

A different discussion for another place but while your words are eloquent, the thinking that because someone disagrees with you he or she is somehow unintelligent or lesser is a bit condescending. 

Yes the men and women who came before you gave you and me this country-- it would not exist without them. How could you say otherwise? 

 There are two issues that you are confusing.  protesting that the country somehow  has different standards for different people  is very different from protesting that the country exist at all. Protesting that with the country is supposed to be and what people gave their lives to make it be is not something that I will now or ever agree with.

 The ideals in which the flag and the anthem represent  our standards to which everyone should elevate themselves to. 

 Protecting people that can't protect themselves, moving forward and elevating ourselves as a society is an ideal that the flag and the anthem represent. 

Sitting for the anthem or sitting for the flag or burning a flag, for me is protesting  those standards or ideals existing at all is not the right protest.

 Also stating a problem without offering a solution is  something that weak people do without an understanding of what they're  doing or even what they're protesting. 

 Posting an article written  by someone named Philipp who hasn't done a  mass cross-cultural survey in some type of semi scientific format that is backed by a respected community is just hearsay and  and obviously the viewpoints of one person. 

  Anyway we respectfully disagree, and that is part of the rights and privileges that are offered under the flag and the anthem which you seem to be so easily offended by. 

My solution is for anyone that is unhappy to relocate to another country. It's that simple

 

Whatever, dude. This country was stolen from the American Indian and worked by forced slave labor. I have ancestors on both sides, and my Caucasian ancestors didn't give my black ancestors poo, except a hard damn time. You speak of ideals, blah blah blah, and to this day people are treated like second class citizens due to the melanin in their skin. Even the men who wrote all the nice words were hypocrites. So don't tell me about all these ideals and poo that the flag stands for when people still stand for open racism and discrimination in America, just like they always have.

And, no, I ain't going any damn where. This country is as much mine as it is any man's. The goal should be to fight for the America that is embedded within the doctrines written by this country's forefathers, not suggest that people leave when you know that they've been historically and profoundly oppressed. Until all men are actually treated equally in this country, regardless of their ethnicity, religion, gender, etc., then anyone who doesn't stand up for that---but exclaims bloody murder for someone who won't stand up for a flag, or stand up for a national anthem that was written by a racist and has racist overtones when going to the next verses---is a hypocrite. 

You talk of problems that America's white forefathers started and that have been allowed to worsen over time by ignorance, denial, selfishness, and lies. How about you come up with some solutions, or support those that try to?

The first thing you have to do is even admit there is a problem, but I'm sure from the tone of your posts that all is well in JARROD land with the blinders on, not realizing that America you experience is not the America every American experiences.

I could go on and on, but I'm done! 

[*FreeFua*]

16 pages?

Im not reading through this junk but I'll assume there are actually morons saying we should sign this loser?

[GoobyPls]

5 hours ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

oh no not his passer rating! who gives a poo? his td % did not go down every year and his already extraordinary interception % did not go up every year. he was an overall relatively accurate passer who was let down over and over again by his teammates. and btw i said his stats stayed in line with his career averages, clearly referring to last season because it's redundant to say his career stats stayed in line with his career averages. he was productive, exceeding career averages in important statistical categories, with an appallingly awful supporting cast. the fact that his numbers last year compare reasonably well to his numbers earlier in his career with a much stronger supporting cast is important.

im not "crying" about dalton's supporting cast. it is relevant and accurate but because it's inconvenient to you, it's crying. kaepernick was successful in the right situation, as game managers are expected to be. he's not going to overcome a historically bad roster. conversely, a great roster in cincinnati wasn't able to overcome a real shitty quarterback in andy dalton.

you have to change your playbook for plenty of the poo "look the part" quarterbacks who somehow keep their jobs every year because they sure as hell can't make all of the throws. and every team changes their playbook to suit the strengths of their qb, whether it's aaron rodgers or andy dalton.

i've made no effort to disguise my argument. if only you could say the same. the structure and content of your posts is that of someone desperate to defend a conclusion based on base gut reaction rather than someone who reached that conclusion through careful examination of relevant data. don't quote me again unless you're willing to put in adequate effort.

His overall stats per game went down every single season, your basically in denial at this point. Like I said he has a low int% cause he takes more sacks than any QB in the league. He's a sack machine, not only that but he has played with two great offensive minds that help reduced risk.

 

He had a great roster in 13 and 14 and he still struggled, he couldn't mange a great roster so now what? Kaepernick has had better supporting than Dalton FYI

 

Are you are gonna sit their a compare Kaep to a regular pocket passer? LOL Without the threat of the run he's nothing.

You have no argument based on facts, Kaepernick is not a good QB and now your crying racism. You even quote twitter account that regularly on bash white QB's, who everyone agrees are bad.  You know what owners care about? if you can produce on the field, something Kaepernick hasn't done in 4 years.

[DamnItJake!]

Carolina will not bring him in.. if they did I would be super f*pissed.. I hate this guy.. he's a dirt bag.. STand up and respect the flag and the soldiers!! I hope he goes un-employed.. that would be a statement u dumb f*

[DeeJay]

Rather have romo

[Mr. Scot]

I'm not really interested in Romo either.

Even with what Dallas built around him, he was still a choke artist. Plus he's fragile and this past season a rookie made him expendable.

 

[top dawg]

13 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm not really interested in Romo either.

Even with what Dallas built around him, he was still a choke artist. Plus he's fragile and this past season a rookie made him expendable.

 

Some people don't want to give Prescott his due (kind of like pulling teeth). Dak would have made many QBs expendable.