The Panthers biggest dilemmas at #8 - A good team, a deep draft, and uncertainty in the top seven picks... Or "The case for trading down"

[gmonjimbo]

I could be wrong but I seriously doubt that Gettleman would trade out of the 8th spot. He mentions that this is a rare chance for the Panthers to be picking this high in relation to them alresdy having a centerpiece on offense (Cam) and defense (Luke), while the teams ahead of them are looking for theirs. Stay at 8th and don't play hypotheticals. At this moment I expect the Panthers to be working on a doomsday scenario. 

[Mr. Scot]

You'd have to have a really convincing argument for me to wanna trade down.

I believe this team is good enough that we're not going to have top 10 picks all that often. Since we have one now, I'm loathe to give it up.

[panther4life]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You'd have to have a really convincing argument for me to wanna trade down.

I believe this team is good enough that we're not going to have top 10 picks all that often. Since we have one now, I'm loathe to give it up.

Top 10 sounds nice and fancy. I don't know this to be a fact yet but I'd say after the 6th pick. 7-10 isn't historically much better than what can be found in 11-14 if any at all. It no doubt would have to be a draft day decision since there's no way of knowing who will be there at 8.

[Khyber53]

1 hour ago, Bronn said:

Ultimately, wouldn't you all think it was a big win if we came out of this draft with Leonard Fournette AND Ryan Ramczyk? Jamal Adams AND Corey Davis? It is greedy thinking that we could come out with two picks that people are currently salivating over in the first round, but there could be a touch of realism in the belief and it might be possible to do.
 

I don't agree with us trading down, necessarily, but man, that was a quality post. Good read!

 

[CarolinaSamurai]

17 minutes ago, Bronn said:

I think the grey area comes in, though, when you consider BPA like we say we do, and like we're likely to find ourselves in the position of when #8 gets here.

I don't know how it works 100%, but one would have to assume that our big board is just a composite of all of the insight you listed. But what do you do when there is a disagreement?

#8 could get there and Fournette is the highest ranked player on our board that is available. But, guys like OJ Howard could still be there too and be graded higher as a player, but ranked lower on the board. Do just suck it up and pick Fournette or do you trade back with Cleveland, 4 spots, and hope one of the two is still there? What if you trade back to #12 with them and Fournette and Howard both come off before #12? Do you then slide back again, maybe with Washington or Baltimore, and hope you end up with one of the DEs or Williams or Davis at WR, with plans to trade into the late first to get someone like McCaffrey, one of the OL, or someone else that has slid?

If we trade back it would only be for more picks. Do we really need more picks? We arnt rebuilding and we arnt trying to fill a bunch of holes. If not for more picks then a trade? Who would we want to add that would add to the team in a meaningful way? 

If you get more picks how many players would we cut? We shouldn't cut picks that's bad buisness. We got a pretty decent roster already. Who do we cut for more rookies.

[TheSpecialJuan]

Trade back into 1st round would look like this:

San Francisco’s pick was No. 28 overall, acquired in an on-the-clock trade with the Chiefs. The 49ers sent their second-, fourth- and sixth-round picks to Kansas City to make the deal

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/04/28/49ers-trade-back-into-first-round-draft-joshua-garnett/

This was last year's 49ers/Chiefs trade. Chiefs have the 27th overall pick this year.

[Bronn]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You'd have to have a really convincing argument for me to wanna trade down.

I believe this team is good enough that we're not going to have top 10 picks all that often. Since we have one now, I'm loathe to give it up.

I guess this begs the question then, are there 8 guys in this draft that you think can come in and start day 1, and be a fixture on our team for years to come? If so, I'd like to see those 8 guys, mostly because I don't know we can upgrade our starters, right now at least, other than at SS, LG, FB, DE, and MAYBE WR2. The only ones of those positions I see potentially being there and worthy at #8 are SS (Adams,) DE (Garrett and  Thomas) and WR (Williams and Davis.) Maybe someone picks Allen in there. Maybe someone picks a QB or two. Maybe someone takes Fournette. Maybe a CB comes off the board. Then we'll get one of those guys in parenthesis. But what if those 5 guys are gone. Is it settling if RB isn't on your starter-replacement list and you take Fournette? Is it reaching if you settle for the third best DE prospect. Is it wasting it if you get the best TE but you don't really need him or you could have got him later?

[TheSpecialJuan]

Just now, TheSpecialJuan said:

Trade back into 1st round would look like this:

San Francisco’s pick was No. 28 overall, acquired in an on-the-clock trade with the Chiefs. The 49ers sent their second-, fourth- and sixth-round picks to Kansas City to make the deal

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/04/28/49ers-trade-back-into-first-round-draft-joshua-garnett/

This was last year's 49ers/Chiefs trade. Chiefs have the 27th overall pick this year.

49ers had a higher 2nd round pick so a trade would probably cost us our 2nd, 3rd and 6th rounder's.

[panther4life]

1 minute ago, CarolinaSamurai said:

If we trade back it would only be for more picks. Do we really need more picks? We arnt rebuilding and we arnt trying to fill a bunch of holes. If not for more picks then a trade? Who would we want to add that would add to the team in a meaningful way? 

If you get more picks how many players would we cut? We shouldn't cut picks that's bad buisness. We got a pretty decent roster already. Who do we cut for more rookies.

I think the aim would be to stockpile as many picks as possible inside the top 3 rounds(the lower  the better obviously). Id love to see us find a suiter willing to take a package deal of our 4th through 7th picks to move up. I don't have much faith in those late round picks at all.

[Bronn]

3 minutes ago, CarolinaSamurai said:

If we trade back it would only be for more picks. Do we really need more picks? We arnt rebuilding and we arnt trying to fill a bunch of holes. If not for more picks then a trade? Who would we want to add that would add to the team in a meaningful way? 

If you get more picks how many players would we cut? We shouldn't cut picks that's bad buisness. We got a pretty decent roster already. Who do we cut for more rookies.

This has come up for me a lot too. I would actually be okay giving up picks in the 4-7th round if we could package them all for an extra 2nd or third.

This draft is very deep, and there will be some good guys in later rounds. But I feel like we are in good enough shape that we could actually benefit from less picks, so long as they are early picks.

Two firsts, a second, and three thirds and call it a wrap for all I really care. We could get future starters at RB, SS, G, CB, DE, and TE with those picks.

[tiger7_88]

1 hour ago, Bronn said:

TLDR: Panthers should trade down

The key here is that there has to be a trade partner willing to trade up.

Yeah, that seems to be a "go without saying" thing, but so many people just repeat the mantra "we need to trade down".

Trading UP has costs.  Who is willing to pay that cost for our pick?  I *hope* there is a team that is willing because I like the idea.  But its easier said than done.

[SOJA]

I sound like a broken record but if Garrett, Adams, Thomas, Fournette, Allen, Howard, and Hooker are all taken before pick 8- a trade down makes a lot of sense for us. 

Those are, imo, the top tier 7 guys in this draft. They are 1, the next crop are the tier 2 guys. 

 

If however any of those guys are there at pick 8 I'm taking them and not worrying about a trade down. 

All we need is a CB to get picked in the top 7, a QB, or a team to make a disastrous move of over drafting someone. 

[Leeroy Jenkins PhD]

When picking in the top 10 you take BPA period.  Maneuver the rest of the draft for the pieces that fit. 

[TheSpecialJuan]

26 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

Trade back into 1st round would look like this:

San Francisco’s pick was No. 28 overall, acquired in an on-the-clock trade with the Chiefs. The 49ers sent their second-, fourth- and sixth-round picks to Kansas City to make the deal

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/04/28/49ers-trade-back-into-first-round-draft-joshua-garnett/

This was last year's 49ers/Chiefs trade. Chiefs have the 27th overall pick this year.

we might have to part with BOTH 2nd rounder's and 7th to move into 1st round.