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[Doc Holiday]

12 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I agree with you in general, but no way I'd "scrap" a thousand yard receiver. Trade him, yeah, but I better get something in return.

My problem with KB was that he was either not a factor at all or bad for 2/3 of last year's season.  you need more than that out of a number one receiver.

 And I agree that we need to try to get something for him if we get rid of him,  but KB needs to show me something this year that he's willing to do what it takes to be a true number one wide receiver 

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[top dawg]

16 minutes ago, Doc Holiday said:

My problem with KB was that he was either not a factor at all or bad for 2/3 of last year's season.  you need more than that out of a number one receiver.

 And I agree that we need to try to get something for him if we get rid of him,  but KB needs to show me something this year that he's willing to do what it takes to be a true number one wide receiver 

You've heard it, but I'm going to reiterate the fact that KB wasn't quite right coming off the surgery. Not that it's an excuse, but it is what it is. Moreover, I think that the term "number 1 wide receiver," WR1 or whatever has lost its practical effectiveness---it's meaning. What does it really mean? It's not necessarily a true litmus test to being an effective receiver in an offense. In fact, if we realize another playmaker at the position---regardless of what numeric label you want to assign them, then KB can be even more productive drawing away coverage, or exploiting mismatches for himself. I think that he's done a decent job considering his rawness, the injury, and our offense.

Don't get me wrong, I'm always up for an upgrade, but with KB I think people are taking a lot of things for granted and looking a gift horse in the mouth. If he raises his game a notch or two, then he is a consistent and constant threat that must be game-planned for. In that same vein, I certainly wouldn't pay him like a top receiver in the league, because his production hasn't warranted that. I would pay him commensurate with what he brings to the table though.

I think our main problem is the lack of another legit wide receiver opposite of Benjamin.

 

[Doc Holiday]

34 minutes ago, top dawg said:

You've heard it, but I'm going to reiterate the fact that KB wasn't quite right coming off the surgery. Not that it's an excuse, but it is what it is. Moreover, I think that the term "number 1 wide receiver," WR1 or whatever has lost its practical effectiveness---it's meaning. What does it really mean? It's not necessarily a true litmus test to being an effective receiver in an offense. In fact, if we realize another playmaker at the position---regardless of what numeric label you want to assign them, then KB can be even more productive drawing away coverage, or exploiting mismatches for himself. I think that he's done a decent job considering his rawness, the injury, and our offense.

Don't get me wrong, I'm always up for an upgrade, but with KB I think people are taking a lot of things for granted and looking a gift horse in the mouth. If he raises his game a notch or two, then he is a consistent and constant threat that must be game-planned for. In that same vein, I certainly wouldn't pay him like a top receiver in the league, because his production hasn't warranted that. I would pay him commensurate with what he brings to the table though.

I think our main problem is the lack of another legit wide receiver opposite of Benjamin.

 

The Term " Number one wide receiver"  loses its meaning today only if you don't have one. 

 I do concede that part of KB's problem last year very well could've been him coming off the injury. But he has no excuses this year, it's put up or shut up time. 

 And KB already has another receiver with great playmaking ability pulling coverage away from him and his name is Greg Olsen.

[top dawg]

4 minutes ago, Doc Holiday said:

The Term " Number one wide receiver"  loses its meaning today only if you don't have one. 

 I do concede that part of KB's problem last year very well could've been him coming off the injury. But he has no excuses this year, it's put up or shut up time. 

 And KB already has another receiver with great playmaking ability pulling coverage away from him and his name is Greg Olsen.

I never fell into the TE is a WR theory. Hell, there have been games where Olsen has primarily blocked.  I could be wrong, but I don't believe opposing defenses go into the games saying that we're going to double Olsen. That would be KB. Sure they'll try to cheat sometimes, but KB is going to get the preponderance of the pressure. In general, it's much easier for a TE to get open than a receiver simply for that reason, because the receivers generally pull the corners and draw the safeties away from the line.

As for WR1, there are some that will tell you that only five, maybe ten at most are in the league, but I don't believe there should be a lot of energy put into debating it. Just suffice it to say that the more playmakers that a team has, the better off that every receiver will be.

[Doc Holiday]

41 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I never fell into the TE is a WR theory. Hell, there have been games where Olsen has primarily blocked.  I could be wrong, but I don't believe opposing defenses go into the games saying that we're going to double Olsen. That would be KB. Sure they'll try to cheat sometimes, but KB is going to get the preponderance of the pressure. In general, it's much easier for a TE to get open than a receiver simply for that reason, because the receivers generally pull the corners and draw the safeties away from the line.

As for WR1, there are some that will tell you that only five, maybe ten at most are in the league, but I don't believe there should be a lot of energy put into debating it. Just suffice it to say that the more playmakers that a team has, the better off that every receiver will be.

 I think the theory has more fact behind it when the teams tight end puts up three 1000 yard season's in a row.  The problem and part of the reason why teams don't double up coverage on Olsen is because the sheer number of snaps that he plays.

for example Greg Olsen played more snaps last year then Cam Newton. As  A defensive coordinator you can't justify rolling double coverage every play when he may only get thrown a pass on 10-15% of his total snaps played. And because of that the double  teams only get rolled his way during obvious pass situations for Olson such as third-down and Endzone situations

 And I will say my expectations for KB are not for him to be a top-five receiver in the NFL. But I do want to see him be a consistent threat week to week, to me that's what being A #1 receiver is.  Being somebody the other teams have to worry about every week.