Shepard contract details

[Ivan The Awesome]

9 hours ago, E CaT PanTHer 2 said:

damn all these contracts are pretty lucrative. surprising coming from Dave. 

This isn't a slight towards you but the huddle in general is bipolar. 

 

First, oh fat boy is cheap he won't spend the cash to improve the club. 

 

 

Now, oh fat nuggets is throwing all the money away! 

 

Let the man work, damn. 

[LinvilleGorge]

41 minutes ago, Woodie said:

D-Jax was paid to be a 1B receiver.  Shepard was developing into a decent 4/5 type guy.  So really, they weren't up for the same role.  Basically, he was brought in to fill the Philly role with us, but while also being one of the Top ST guys in the league.  All he is is solid WR depth.  I don't think anybody believes he will be anything more (at least I hope not). Probably a 25-30 catch guy at best.

Johnson was brought in to replace Ginn's speed.  I don't think the staff ever thought Ginn would be our biggest threat at WR, and I really don't think they wanted him to be.  It's a big reason he's gone, IMO. I think Johnson will fill the 3/4 speed receiver role they wanted Ginn to play.  Again, I only expect moderate contributions from him since I believe he'll only be used situationally.    

That leaves us with Benjamin, Funchess, and a yet to be brought in guy to fill the #1-3 receiver roles.  And to be honest, I could potentially see two receivers brought in if the right guys are available.  Most likely, we'll take a guy early in the draft to fill one of those roles, and possibly still bring in a guy like Cruz who may not be as dynamic as he once was, but is still a solid #3.     

Right. Like I said in Shepard's contract thread, we paid a poo ton of money for a special teamer. It'll be a disappointment if this guy ends up higher than 4th on our WR depth chart.

Johnson is a total shot in the dark signing. A camp body of who hopefully works out. Competition for Byrd for training camp hero. Gettleman has started going almost exclusively with two year contract for his "hopefully this works out" signings. The fact that he only signed Johnson to a one year deal speaks volumes.

Cruz is a name, but unfortunately at this point in his career after the injuries he's just another JAG.

[Panthers8969]

10 hours ago, Leeroy Jenkins PhD said:

Per a source, here are the terms for former Bucs wide receiver Russell Shepard, now with the Panthers: It's a three-year deal worth $10.5 million. It includes a $2 million signing bonus and $2.5 million guaranteed. He'll make $4 million in the first year.

this kids potential is so high that i don't mind the contract at all. Its worth the risk

[Woodie]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Right. Like in Shepard's contract thread, I said we paid a poo ton of money for a special teamer. Itll be a disappointment if this guy ends up higher than 4th on our WR depth chart.

Johnson is a total shot in the dark signing. A camp body of ho hopefully paid out. Competition for Byrd for training camp hero. Gettleman has started going almost exclusively with two year contract for his "hopefully this works out" signings. The fact that he only signed Johnson to a one year deal speaks volumes.

Cruz is a name, but unfortunately at this point in his career after the injuries he's just another JAG.

I think Shepard is more than just a special teamer.  He's one of the best.  Tampa just gave his partner last year a similar contract, but without the added expectation that he will also be involved in the passing game.  I don't have unrealistic expectations that he is suddenly going to blossom into Jerry rice, but I do think it was a reasonable contract for the role we are asking him to play for us (which is just solid WR depth, not key contributor). 

Johnson has had some success in the league and is far more developed than Byrd.  But yeah, he is mostly just here for his speed.  But if he can give us that deep threat that we had with Ginn, then I'm ok.  But the fact he is only here on a one year deal tells me that they are not looking for him to be the future or even a developmental guy, just a speed placeholder until we can get someone better (either from the draft or next off season).

Like I said, though, I don't think we are done with WR.  I fully expect we will take one early in the draft, and these two guys will only be used situationally...which is how I believe they really wanted to use Ginn and Brown.  Now, if we don't add another receiver that is better than those two guys, then I'll be right with you in being extremely concerned. 

[JARROD]

Well the Patriots go get smart  football players that are mistake free. That's their focus first. And we all see how that works out. 

 We need Smart football players that are mistake free. 

 It's not so much what you do good in football games it's what you do bad how are you limit mistakes

[E CaT PanTHer 2]

5 hours ago, Ivan The Awesome said:

This isn't a slight towards you but the huddle in general is bipolar. 

 

First, oh fat boy is cheap he won't spend the cash to improve the club. 

 

 

Now, oh fat nuggets is throwing all the money away! 

 

Let the man work, damn. 

i know you stated, "this isn't a slight towards you" but in all honesty though, why you gotta come at me hella sideways and poo though brah! I mean we can square up right now in cali, i'm only a couple thousand miles away from you. 

lolll jp man. I got nothing against DG. All I was saying is the contracts he's been signing lately have been a little more lucrative than I'm used to, a little "un-dave like" that's all. 

[Doc Holiday]

16 hours ago, uscgamecocks said:

Wow...that's basically the same contract that the Saints gave to Ted Ginn.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-orleans-saints/ted-ginn-jr-4693/

Not upset that we signed Shepard.  But I certainly don't understand allocating that money to Shepard over Ginn, given that TG was the best receiver on our team the past two seasons - and he played a key role on special teams.

This is sad, people on this board don't remember what having a good reciever looks like, and what kind of production at WR is easily replaced. Ted Ginn's numbers where nothing special last year and shouldnt be treated as such. We also need to get better at WR so changes needed to be made.

honestly this is put up or shut up Time this year for KB and Funchess. If they don't show up next year I'd be in favor of scrapping them too.

[Saca312]

I've promised a Kelvin Benjamin write up for some time now.

I'll probably get to that today. You'll see why I think last season was a fluke when I write it up.

[wud35]

16 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

I've promised a Kelvin Benjamin write up for some time now.

I'll probably get to that today. You'll see why I think last season was a fluke when I write it up.

Looking forward to it and no I'm not being sarcastic.

[uscgamecocks]

1 hour ago, Doc Holiday said:

This is sad, people on this board don't remember what having a good reciever looks like, and what kind of production at WR is easily replaced. Ted Ginn's numbers where nothing special last year and shouldnt be treated as such. We also need to get better at WR so changes needed to be made.

honestly this is put up or shut up Time this year for KB and Funchess. If they don't show up next year I'd be in favor of scrapping them too.

I didn't say Ginn was a good receiver.  He's not.  But that doesn't change the fact that he was (sadly) the most impactful receiver on our team the past two years.

If we don't add talent early in the draft, Gettleman is gambling that those two early picks take huge steps.  Maybe they will. But if they don't then the defense is going to have to hold teams under 20 consistently for us to have a successful season.

Cam has demonstrated that he works best with fast receivers that can stretch the field and quickly separate.  We don't have anyone on the team that has proven the ability to consistently do that at the NFL level.

I get starting over at WR.  I don't get starting over by dropping Ginn and not replacing him with a proven fast receiver. And I agree with you that one or both of KB and Funchess could be gone next year if they don't take a big step forward.

[uscgamecocks]

1 hour ago, Saca312 said:

I've promised a Kelvin Benjamin write up for some time now.

I'll probably get to that today. You'll see why I think last season was a fluke when I write it up.

Looking forward to it. I hope you are right. It's possible that he needed a year to recover from that ACL tear.  He was a somewhat limited athlete to begin with but his '14 season was much better than his '16.  The most discouraging thing to me about last season was his lack of effort.  That's a really bad sign.

Even his good '14 season was highly inefficient.  I think KB would greatly benefit by not being the primary target in an offense.  Learning to high point the ball and giving great effort in run blocking would also be huge improvements.

[Adb6368]

Screw ginn. Talking about how people need to respect him and all that. Dude wouldn't even be in the league anymore if it wasn't for the panthers. Keep chasing that cash man. You'll never be more than a below average wide receiver that can call a fair catch.


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[rico6]

16 minutes ago, uscgamecocks said:

Looking forward to it. I hope you are right. It's possible that he needed a year to recover from that ACL tear.  He was a somewhat limited athlete to begin with but his '14 season was much better than his '16.  The most discouraging thing to me about last season was his lack of effort.  That's a really bad sign.

Even his good '14 season was highly inefficient.  I think KB would greatly benefit by not being the primary target in an offense.  Learning to high point the ball and giving great effort in run blocking would also be huge improvements.

Didn't like seeing dude freaking out at coaches on the sideline last year either. I believe his stats are inflated due to playing with the human version of a JUGS Machine than actual tier 1 talent or ability. I was hoping Marques Colston type production from KB when he was drafted. But he is what he is, a #2 forced to being a #1.

[top dawg]

3 hours ago, Doc Holiday said:

This is sad, people on this board don't remember what having a good reciever looks like, and what kind of production at WR is easily replaced. Ted Ginn's numbers where nothing special last year and shouldnt be treated as such. We also need to get better at WR so changes needed to be made.

honestly this is put up or shut up Time this year for KB and Funchess. If they don't show up next year I'd be in favor of scrapping them too.

I agree with you in general, but no way I'd "scrap" a thousand yard receiver. Trade him, yeah, but I better get something in return.