Which DE is worth a shot in this years draft

[Swaggasaurus]

51 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

My main point was that it's far less about what you've done and far more about what you're projected to be able to do. Hell, you have former college QBs playing WR.  Lots of former OTs kicking inside to OG. CBs going to S and on and on.

People questioned Thomas' ability to rush the edge because they hadn't seen him do it a lot. Then at the Combine he showed the athletic ability to do it.

And he MAY be able to do it. It's #8 tho, that cannot be lost. I'm pulling for him because I think he seems to be one of the good ones. Edelman wasn't drafted at 8. I'd just prefer we pick a guy at 8 who has proven on the field that he can play the role

[PrimeTimeHeel]

Projecting someone to be able to do x in the top 10 scares me. 

I want to be able to see someone doing it at a high level consistently in college. 

[Panthero]

Gettlemania will run wild in round 1 and we'll draft Jonathan Allen.

Think about it, DT is the most important position for him and both Short and Star are coming up for big contracts. Gettleman wants to have leverage so there you go. 

[WOW!!]

2 minutes ago, Panthero said:

Gettlemania will run wild in round 1 and we'll draft Jonathan Allen.

Think about it, DT is the most important position for him and both Short and Star are coming up for big contracts. Gettleman wants to have leverage so there you go. 

Wait wouldn't that be Butler thoe

[Panthero]

He's leverage, sure, but potentially both are leaving (i pray thats not the case). if that happens you would have Butler and really no one that is starter quality. 

[AU-panther]

6 hours ago, Manos said:

I know everyone seems to like Thomas but I still just don't see a great 4-3 DE when I watch him. I don't see the bend around the corner, I don't see a guy who is going to blow by tackles, I just don't see it. I think he would make a solid UT, or a 3-4 end but he will just be so so as a 4-3 end in my limited knowledge based football opinion.

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I think everyone is picturing that RDE getting low and speed rushing around some LT, but what if he is playing as the LDE.  A lot of the times he might be covered up by a tight end so that speed rush around the tackle might not be available.  Also I would think you want some more run support out of your LDE which he is suppose to be really good at. 

Of our current defensive ends which just signed the longer contract? RDE or LDE?  I don't really see Barnett playing LDE.

Also I'm not convinced he can't bend and blow by tackles.  Every drill at the combine suggest that he is quicker then someone like Barnett.  As a college 3-4 end he probably wasn't lined up to go around the LT or asked to.  His 3-4 linebacker teammate probably had an alignment more like Barnett's 4-3 allignement.

He is going to be an interesting evaluation.  The measurables suggest that he can be an effective 4-3 end but most of his tape is playing as a 3-4 end.

 

[burnettwilliam23]

I think everyone is picturing that RDE getting low and speed rushing around some LT, but what if he is playing as the LDE.  A lot of the times he might be covered up by a tight end so that speed rush around the tackle might not be available.  Also I would think you want some more run support out of your LDE which he is suppose to be really good at. 
Of our current defensive ends which just signed the longer contract? RDE or LDE?  I don't really see Barnett playing LDE.
Also I'm not convinced he can't bend and blow by tackles.  Every drill at the combine suggest that he is quicker then someone like Barnett.  As a college 3-4 end he probably wasn't lined up to go around the LT or asked to.  His 3-4 linebacker teammate probably had an alignment more like Barnett's 4-3 allignement.
He is going to be an interesting evaluation.  The measurables suggest that he can be an effective 4-3 end but most of his tape is playing as a 3-4 end.
 

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[pantherj]

I don't want Solomon Thomas at 8. That would be a reach imo. If you look at Thomas' lower body it's not impressive, and neither is his arm length, and he's not explosive. He won't be a sack artist, and he's going to have to put on a lot of weight which will slow him down. If Fournette and Thomas are there you RUN to the podium for Fournette, or trade down imo.

[AU-panther]

7 minutes ago, pantherj said:

I don't want Solomon Thomas at 8. That would be a reach imo. If you look at Thomas' lower body it's not impressive, and neither is his arm length, and he's not explosive. He won't be a sack artist, and he's going to have to put on a lot of weight which will slow him down. If Fournette and Thomas are there you RUN to the podium for Fournette, or trade down imo.

not explosive?  he was one of the most explosive guys at the combine

 

[The Lobo]

If we get two, what about that kid from Villanova?

[pantherj]

Just now, AU-panther said:

not explosive?  he was one of the most explosive guys at the combine

 

In the muck with the pads he doesn't have that explosive pass rush you want from a top 10 DE pick. And he's playing light which is not going to fly in the pros, which I think when you add the weight he'll end of being one of those effort guys. Don't need an effort guy at 8.

[CarolinaSock]

18 minutes ago, pantherj said:

In the muck with the pads he doesn't have that explosive pass rush you want from a top 10 DE pick. And he's playing light which is not going to fly in the pros, which I think when you add the weight he'll end of being one of those effort guys. Don't need an effort guy at 8.

He weighs 273lbs, since when is that light for a DE?

[Panthers8969]

toss up between thomas and barnett imo. Lots of elite DE talent and some teams gonna get a steal spending on who makes the right choice between the top talent

[pantherj]

43 minutes ago, CarolinaSock said:

He weighs 273lbs, since when is that light for a DE?

It's about what you're going to do in the pros. He's not going to be this great run stuffer at that size, and he's not an explosive pass rusher. So the logical step is to bulk him up to improve his run blocking in the pros, and that can be his thing. He's too light for that right now.