Matt Kalil will sign with us or the Vikes

[Toomers]

Just now, GoobyPls said:

You think I'm gonna waste my time cutting up and embedding film for some mouth breathing imbecile on the huddle with no argument 

Lol

 

Counselor.... your witness. Thank you your honor, the defense rests.

[GoobyPls]

1 minute ago, Toomers said:

Counselor.... your witness. Thank you your honor, the defense rests.

No argument again 

 

I love sonning huddle idiots 

[Shocker]

Honestly you are going to have some guys that complain about a BJ.  If you don't like Kalil please post who in the heck you think we could have realistically gotten for less OR that is better.  And no, there is not a OT worth 8 that is going to come in here and start. 

[FuFuLamePoo]

Honestly you are going to have some guys that complain about a BJ.  If you don't like Kalil please post who in the heck you think we could have realistically gotten for less OR that is better.  And no, there is not a OT worth 8 that is going to come in here and start. 

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2 hours ago, GoobyPls said:

No argument again 

 

I love sonning huddle idiots 

Johnson led the team in Hurries in only 13 games. He might not have the sacks but only idiots judge 4-3 DE off of sacks alone. 

 

You've got pressures, hurries, tfl, edge contain....ext....

 

Johnson excels at pretty much everything a DE needs to be able to do. 

 

He had a market in FA. 

[Toomers]

16 minutes ago, Shocker said:

Honestly you are going to have some guys that complain about a BJ.  If you don't like Kalil please post who in the heck you think we could have realistically gotten for less OR that is better.  And no, there is not a OT worth 8 that is going to come in here and start. 

 Whitworth 

Beachum

Okung

Clady

Reiff

 

 

[Shocker]

3 minutes ago, Toomers said:

 Whitworth 

Beachum

Okung

Clady

Reiff

 

 

No X 5  dumbass

[Toomers]

Just now, Shocker said:

No X 5  dumbass

  Nice and Insightful. Could you explain or would thinking that hard cause you to drool on your Mom's tablet.

[Toomers]

2 minutes ago, stbugs said:

I posted something insightful in another thread. I can honestly say Kalil wasn't my #1, but my thought is that he absolutely has the most potential of all of them based on his draft pedigree (he was very highly ranked) and his pro-bowl play. I am not sure why he dropped, but the other thing he's got is youth. He actually could be a long term solution.

I'll play optimistic that since the entire Vikings OL sucked, the OL coaching was poo and that we can improve that. Also, maybe he was just trying to do too much having crap around him. He now gets a stud LG, C and RG next to him. He can actually feel like the guys next to him will do their jobs.

I don't pretend to be an OT expert, so I'm going to let our coaches, scouts and GM do their jobs. They obviously feel like he's the answer and to be honest, the Vikings still want him, so maybe they realize he graded bad but should be better with better coaches/talent around him.

There's my insight. I'm going to be optimistic.

   Very rational statements. Something I always respond and look forward too. I like your optimism, but draft pedigree and one good season 5 years ago is hard to use as a reason to justify his awful play since. He hasn't been average since. And coming off injury. RGIII and Trent Richardson were taken before him. There draft pedigree is the same. We could have had top 10 level LT play for around the same price. That's what hurts.

[Toomers]

2 minutes ago, stbugs said:

We could have, but Whitworth could easily decline as he's turning 36 during this season. Honestly, we don't know. I think DG was thinking we have to think longer term as well. There is no tackle we could get this year (without reaching a ton for a risky guy at 8 and passing on a potential perennial pro-bowler) that I'd feel confident would be a legit LT in 1 year. Whitworth is a one year stop gap. He's not going to be playing at a high level in 2018/2019.

I understand the knocks on Kalil. I said the same things, but I'm willing to trust that he can get back to his peak level with a solid interior and better coaching. Gotta have a little bit of faith. Also, I am happy that we are being pro-active. Maybe it doesn't work, but if it does, we will be in the best spot. I think he's got the highest ceiling based on draft pedigree and his early play, so we'll see. Okung has been bad for a few years as well and is older. Beachum was awful last year and had an CL injury, so maybe he's not going to get back. Whitworth is a 1 year stop gap with no solution behind him. Clady is old and damaged goods. Reiff is the only other option and he's a better RT and expensive as well.

I will be very interested in what we do, but I'm glad we went for it so we can concentrate on TE, S, RB, CB and DE (not necessarily in that order) in this draft which is insanely strong there. As DG said, FA sets up the draft and it's nice knowing we won't have to reach for a tackle at 40 with a stud sitting there.

    Very well said. All of it. 

  You can say Whitworth could easily decline. Well, even if that happens, hes still top half of the league for one year, then average for one. With Kalil, it's nothing but absolute faith in hoping he suddenly becomes something he hasn't been in 5 years. And people want to compare his situation to Oher. And there are similarities. But the problem is, we paid 2/7M to take a chance on Oher. We are paying 3/30M for this same risk. I hope he kills it. I'll be first in line for crow and ridicule. But this move carries way more risk than chance of reward.  

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, stbugs said:

True, I just think maybe we are more confident that he will (Vikings still wanting him says something too). Believe me, I was not on the Kalil bandwagon, I was on the Beachum one. That said, part of the reason why I wanted Beachum over Whitworth/Okung/Albert/Clady is because I want a long term solution and I don't see us getting one in the draft this year. Clady and Okung also have talent/injury issues at this point. Even Albert is on the decline.

It's a risk, but a high reward risk. A risk we have to take at some point, especially with the crappy OT class this year. Bolles is the only one I think that could be decent at LT, but taking him at 8 is a bigger risk than paying money to Kalil based on the potential stud we'd be passing.

One note on Beachum, I am really concerned about his health now with virtually no interest on him. The only article is last week saying the Giants have no interest in him.

  I'm with you. I'm a Steeler fan too, and Beachum was very good in 2014-15. Then he got hurt. I would have been happy with him, but you bring up a great point about his market being quiet. Heck, so was Whitworth's. Nothing on him until signing announcement. So who knows. Still want him. If we can't have quality have depth...lol

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, stbugs said:

The thing about OL is that amazingly enough the health and cohesion of the unit is huge (as is the scheme/coaching). There's a reason why Oher suddenly got better in 2015. There's a reason why our OL was healthy in 2015 and our offense played better. There's also a reason why Atlanta played much better in 2016 when their OL was healthy (yes Mack helped, but all 5 of their OL played 94-100% of snaps).

I think Kalil will be much better in 2017 than he was the past few years with the Vikings. Whether he is good enough to justify the contract is another thing. The big thing is that we need Ryan to be healthy. I posted this multiple times, but I was at training camp when Kalil and TD got into it in a drill and Kalil hurt his shoulder. He was pissed and TD went over to the other field during practice to check on him. I think that was the start of the healthy issues for him and lingered all year until he went on IR and once Oher got hurt, we were in trouble.

  I've made the same exact point of youreference first paragraph many times especially in the last time two weeks. At this point, I just want to be wrong.