Revisiting Jonathan Allen at 8th pick

[SeoulPanther]

Allen and Thomas. Both good players who CAN play on the edge. 

Is that something like Jabrill Peppers who can play safety, but didn't very much?

I get the hybrid argument but don't you want to draft a guy who primarily played that position in college?

With Garrett off the menu and disappointment at Barnett albeit with his sickness issues, I'm moving away from DE in 1st round unless we trade down. 

[imminent rogaine]

6 hours ago, Saca312 said:

Guess the only game you've watched is the national championship of Allen, right?

You understand this guy was far and away the best defender in college, and I dare say more productive than Myles Garrett?

Plus, you understand he's not going to be a DT in the NFL, right?

Allen weighed in at the combine at 286, that's heavy for a 4-3 DE but not absurd. Both now and in the past the Panthers used ends at or close to 280 pounds such as Hardy(280) and Ealy(275), and Charles Johnson(285). We could easily draft Allen and ask him to lose a couple of pounds, it wouldn't be a substantial amount.

I'm not sure why it's difficult for people to imagine him as a DE in the NFL. He played end at Alabama, and he doesn't have the weight of a nose tackle or even plus sized 3-tech.

In the Panthers' 4-3 scheme I could see Allen as a end on first and second down. On third down he could go inside while Short kicks out to end. If not, I can see the opposite on 3rd down situations as well.

Additionally, we want to give Mario Addison more snaps so adding more run-stopping would make up for his deficiencies. 286 isn't too big to be an end in a 4-3 and with his talent the Panthers will figure out a way to utilize him.

I laugh everytime mentions Allen as a pure DT. 

That highlight against A&M of him beating his guy and then diving over the chipping half-back to sack the QB reminds me of Greg Hardy. I certainly can't recall a pure DT making that kind of play.

 

If he does drop into the teens, I would not hate the idea of moving back up into the first, although I say that not really knowing what that would cost.

[gorillamilitia13]

On 3/5/2017 at 8:03 AM, Jeremy Igo said:

 

Yeah, I think Allen would beat out Fournette. DEs play longer in the NFL than RBs. More of a value pick long term.

 

Who the better pro is going to be is more important than whose going to be in the NFL longer.